To suggest that ff babies are generally more content than breastfed babies?

[mrsb26]

...because they are fuller for longer?

Following on from an article I read recently regarding a study that suggested that of its recipients, the ff babies were generally deemed to be more calm, easy to settle to sleep etc than breastfed babies.

I know this is bound to be a taboo subject, but I must say, as a breastfeeding mother myself to a 4 month old dd, I have considered whether she'd be more satisfied on formula. She's not the easiest of babies and, to me, seems fussier and more demanding than her formula fed peers.

For example, she is really hard to settle to sleep for naps. She will sometimes feed to sleep, but not always (I know this is a debate on itself). I have never been to the shops or out for a walk for half an hour without her fussing (even if it's just for a little bit). She will sit on my knee or go to someone else for five minutes tops before fussing and starting to cry.

I'm not doubting the benefits of the quality of breastmilk, obviously. I guess I just feel like I'm filling up a tank that's emptying as quick as it's filling^^ and that she's never fully satisfied. I know breastmilk is digested quicker, but still.

She has no issues re: reflux, tongue tie or anything either.

Of course there are behavioural differences amongst all babies, but as a general rule, what is your opinion? Interested to hear from anyone who has perhaps breastfed one baby and formula fed another.

Hilly I'm not seeing that at all.

We know bf is best, we know lots of things are best but as humans we have to make choices and we hope that they will work out ok.

Laughing at the idea BF is some sort of weird pre computer/tech idea < eye roll>

off to light a fire to try to communicate with my fellow man

What do people think "failure to thrive" as a cause of death in babies was, historically speaking, if not breastfeeding related?

Breast is best for baby nutritionally speaking, right up until there's a nutritional deficit and then it isn't. That still happens too.

But suppose I'm making things up again because obviously we're all incapable of using the Internet to check what I've said.

Because linking to wikipedia is the height of informed research 🙄

And Fatty - out and proud. Go you.

bam I co slept with DS1.
DD was always happier in the cot and DS2 doesn't really care where he is.

As for contact, I've already said on this thread I am the only person who feeds DS2. I bath with him, and still shower/bath with DD. I am the one there for all of them. It's me they turn to for comfort and they get it. DS1 still climbs in my bed when he's unwell or had a nightmare, he's 7. this means I can't sleep naked as I never know if I'm going to wake up go him starfishing across my bed

I'm not any less of a mother because I don't breast feed.

Ah I see.

Well personally speaking I did want to be and I do get quite upset that it didn't work out. I do get rather upset when I read some of the comments.

What might have helped me would have been if all the visitors fucked off unless they were going to cook my tea and do the washing.

Someone to help with the latch more than someone popping in for 30 minutes and saying it all looks fine

If the NHS gave advice on safe cosleeping

If I'd had an extra pair of hands do take my older son to school and clubs and parties for longer than my dh 2 weeks paternity leave.

No one gives a shit about all that though I'm sure it's the same for a lot of women.

What you find instead is lots of bitching and sniping on a parenting site and now almost the implication that if you ff you don't care if you KILL your baby

Dixie- first story the baby died after mother fell asleep on the sofa with him, from suffocation or SIDS. Not the breastmilk.

Second story- a quick Google shows the Claims the drugs got into the baby via breast milk were never substantiated and it was mentioned by the coroner in court that this was highly unlikely. The Court and babies family later criticised the media for this reporting.

I would steer clear of the DM for evidence they hate breastfeeding too.

I stopped breastfeeding because I was thundering towards pnd like a runaway train and believe my baby benefitted more from having a well mum than a breastfeeding one.

I feel good about my choice. Glad I didn't ask the sympathetic minds of MN for advice though! As it happens it was a woman who had breastfed all 4 of her children who most reassured me about that choice.

Oh and ff ds still doesn't sleep he co sleeps and wants to be carried all the time so that old myths out the window.

Please stopped arguing over who's killed more babies through feeding method it's just horrible.

Breast is best for baby nutritionally speaking, right up until there's a nutritional deficit and then it isn't. That still happens too.

This I agree with. Formula absolutely has its place and does save babies lives.

Although I was fully FF from birth and had failure to thrive for the first year of my life, I had to have tubes shoved up my teeny tiny baby nose .

A bit OT but if a FF baby loses too much weight at 5 days old (like many BF babies do), what is the solution I'm nosey

I would think things like high calorie formula, or hospitalisation for tube feeding and being on a drip.

I never quite understand the babies are saved by formula argument. Donated breastmilk would do the same Job wouldn't it? It's not the formula Itself saving the baby, it's the method by which the milk gets into the baby (tube feeding, bottle feeding etc)

Im not saying people should you use donated milk rather than formula, but the result would be the same surely?

Perhaps the government should ban use of formula in public places and keep it in hidden shelves behind supermarket counters, you know like fags.

They could put health warnings on the packaging too.

'Formula increases the risk of sids' in big

Alis
Glad I didn't ask the sympathetic minds of MN for advice though!

I am coming to the realisation that MN is a ridiculous place to ask for advice. Formula feeding is bad...breast feeding is bad....working out of the home is bad...staying at home to look after kids is bad....

Judgy McJudgersons everywhere just ready to tell you your life choices suck.

I never quite understand the babies are saved by formula argument. Donated breastmilk would do the same Job wouldn't it? It's not the formula Itself saving the baby, it's the method by which the milk gets into the baby (tube feeding, bottle feeding etc)

You'd be right if there was an endless supply of donated milk.

An example of FF saving a baby: an infant gets taken into care suddenly, not to be reunited with mum, and SW can't find a BF parent for him or her. No donor milk available or other means of getting BM. Formula in this case would be a life saver

Not sure Piper, I assume the same protocol of being hospitalised?

Can't be sure because all my "going home" information was breastfeeding related as that was what I was doing at the time. But too much weight loss is too much regardless, surely?

"it's demanding of the woman's body. You see it that way, I see it as my boobs are mine, a part of me, and I wouldn't want a child grabbing them.

How do my views put people off? I doubt anyone who wants to bf their older child who can talk cares that I think it looks weird"

Well, you've been veering into "Bitty" territory. I just think your terminology is strange - it's not "any child", it's your child - the one you've been feeding with your boobs from birth. I'd also like to know where you hang out that you see all of these vocal, grabbing toddlers. It's obvious you have a distaste of women using their boobs for BF, for it being visual or whatever - but no issues going topless in public places.

I agree crabbit.