To think air strikes on Syria will be the biggest political mistake of Cameron's life.

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If you could tell me that no civilians would be hurt/killed and we would stop Daesh then I'd get in a plane myself (well i wouldn't but you know what i mean). Id be behind it 100%

Neither of those things are going to happen.

More innocent people are going to die.

Not just in Syria - lets face it, we are painting a fucking great target on the UK by doing this is. A bigger one than there already is.

There has to be a more intelligent way of doing this, we have intelligence don't we? we have drones? we have troops? Loathe as i am to send our troops in on the ground, it is fairer surely? Civilian casualties can be managed? Bombing is indescriminate and well, i doubt that any leading ISIS figures are in Raqqa just now.

It is futility in its greatest form and going to help no-one.

Brioche exactly.

The air strikes which took place overnight were against oil installations.

We might not be close to having alternative energy sources, but attacking IS income stream sounds like a good step.

I think this thread needs to be archived by the PeopleWhoReallyRunTheInternet as a prime example of Godwin's law.

I didn't realise you had to be a member of isis to work on oil rigs

What is Godwins law? is it good or bad?

Interestingly Hillary Benn did make a reference to Fascism in his speech. I wonder if he should he have stopped after that Godwin reference? And Cameron did cast slurs on those who were against the war just as outlined in the Hermann Goering quote.

Accuse your opponents of unpatriotic behaviour if they don't disagree with the war you're advocating. I think accusations of 'terrorist sympathisers' does fit that bill.

don't agree, of course.

That speech by Hilary Benn made me retch. What a tosser

I agree batshit. In general I try not to get angry and to remember everyone is a person with their own motivations and idiosyncratic causes of suffering. But I'm really struggling not to think Cameron and Benn are a pair of total tools.

I doubt it will be. The only way that Daesh will be defeated in Syria is militarily and we do have expertise that can assist in bringing this about. Jeremy Corbyn is a fantasist if he thinks that a political settlement can be formed in Syria whilst Daesh controls the territorys that it does.

Anothereffing I try not to get angry too. But knowing full well that now even more innocent Syrian children, teenagers, babies, men and women will see their loved ones blown to pieces, maimed and made homeless. This time by British bombs. I just don't know what the appropriate emotion is really. Confusion, Ennui??

I'm sickened by this situation and our govt's collusion in not only stretching it out, but making it worse.

They need to cut off the funding for Isis. Why aren't more people asking where they get their money and weapons from..... Cut that and you have them by the balls.

They all want to be the next Winston Churchill. Born to lead. If it means arming and funding fascist elements in other societies (and ours) so as to start a world war....

They've always done it.