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to be shocked at the undercover channel 4 documentary

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Idliketoteachtheworldtosing1 · 24/11/2015 00:11

Do you think it is unreasonable to be shocked at the revelations on the documentary about British Muslim women openly defending Isis in front of impressionable teenagers and children. The way I see it is if they want sharia law and despise our government and our western ways then why on earth stay here, leave and go and live in a Muslim country. That poor girl that was undercover was terrified of these evil women, the problem is the enemy is within. One of the women worked as a careers adviser! I really hope that the authorities go after the women shown in the documentary before they can corrupt any more young minds!!

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SouthWestmom · 27/11/2015 19:21

I don't want the burka banned for security; I would support a ban because I dislike everything I feel it represents. For me the idea that a woman should cover herself head to toe while her partner strolls ahead in shorts is disgusting and I genuinely don't care for the argument that 'it's her choice' because I believe cultural pressure and upbringing and all the other external factors make that choice less than free.

DrasticAction · 27/11/2015 19:24

I think it should be banned too, I think Sweden has brought in a ban recently?Or Switzerland.

hefzi · 27/11/2015 21:06

I'm not shocked: don't forget, that one of the key things in Islam is to be loyal to the 'umma (the community of believers). That's set above any national feeling (which, at some stages in history, and some countries, was actually seen as being unIslamic and "Western"). Inevitably, there will be British Muslims to whom being Muslim is of far more importance than being British.

I think it's important also that documentaries like these are shown: there's too much minimising - ironically, mainly by non-Muslims - of the extent of these kinds of beliefs. They are there, they are more prevalent than we would like to believe - and they are certainly more prevalent than the Muslim community likes to believe. But it's up to us to work together to prevent people like this being given space - Muslim and non-Muslim.

There are quite a large number of people (percentage of Muslim population-wise) who are in favour of parallel Shari'a courts, to hold sway in Muslim cases. These aren't people who support ISIS, by the way (though presumably some of them do) - apart from the issue of parallel justice, how comfortable would you be knowing that in the case of a divorce, a woman would automatically cede custody of her children (at varying ages for boys and girls) to her ex-husband? Or that a woman's inheritance would be a fraction of that of her brothers, if her parents died intestate? And these are religious issues, not cultural ones.

I guess what I am saying is that it can be a slippery slope: which is why the more extreme elements need to be exposed and discredited, not minimised.

And for the PP who talked said that "Kurds are Muslim"? Some indeed are - but many are Jewish (though most of these now live in Israel, owing to anti-Jewish discrimination in the Muslim-controlled Kurdish areas such as Iraq and Iran), Christian, Yezidi and also a few Bahai.

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