To agree with Corbyn on response after Paris attacks?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34886321.

I am no expert but surely simply bombing Syria is not going to reduce the likelihood of terrors attacks in the UK?

Also, why not remove those who have travelled to Syria to fight with IS from the UK? Would this even be possible?

We didn't beat the IRA. We negotiated a peace
The IRA had completely different aims, the two are absolutely not comparable

Actually, the IRA terror only really stopped when the American's were attacked in New York and declared their war or terror, which meant much of the IRA support and some of their funding dried up and the world suddenly became a much more dangerous place if you were a terrorist

And maybe they don't want peace. Maybe they actually just want the caliphate.

As much as you're saying 'I'm alright Jack' is the opposite of what you're saying, it doesn't seem to be.
Fuck the Middle East in the short term, let's just take their eye off US in the short term, and we can negotiate for everyone else later.
Fuck what they end up doing to them, as long as they're STABLE eh?

We didn't beat the IRA. We negotiated a peace
negotiated. There's your issue. Those charming gents of ISIS will NOT negotiate.

I don't know what we do, but I do know that negotiating ain't gonna be part of it.

Your being very european giddy if you think it's an 'I'm alright jack attitude' to try and defeat Isis, there are many countries that are wanting western assistance to help with the problem.

I never said we started the uprising but we supported the Arab Spring idea and Syria was part of that. China commits terrible human rights abuses.
Jumped, that's the idea of negotiating with those entities involved in funding, fighting and ignoring the Caliphate.
And Tim you really are being overly aggressive now so I shall retire. I utterly reject the idea that I'm Alright Jack is the motivation. The cycle of violence needs to stop. Millions of innocent people have and will die and we need to find a way to stop it.

The IRA were strangely far more open to negotiation once the US had declared their War on Terror though LumelaMme.

The IRA was finally defeated not by negotiations, but (unintentionally no doubt) by Al Qaeda because most of its funding came from the US.

Therefore, its finances dried up largely after the 9/11 attacks. It was no coincidence that both Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness both popped up across the pond almost immediately after the attacks. They were there because they were worried about funding, not because they fancied a holiday.

I don't see how me pointing out your hypocrisy is being 'overly aggressive'
I'm just pointing out that your 'we need to stop the violence' stance is essentially 'we need to stop the violence IN THE WEST, and I don't care if there's violence over there as long as the country is STABLE'.
And in terms of being aggressive, I'm pretty sure it was you dishing out insults, not me

Quite Topseyt

That's what happens in War though Timri. Everyone protects their homeland and their own people first and foremost, apart from the madmen who started it all, but "we" can't protect everyone so where else can we start?

Cycle of violence needs to stop? That will only happen when either ISIS achieve their goal or they are eradicated because quite frankly even if we don't bomb them or Iraq etc. that doesn't mean they will stop the violence either.

Please do point out my insults.I generally try to avoid insulting people so I am surprised at that.

I totally agree Jump and I think it's natural, I was just trying to point out those people who say 'We can't bomb innocent civilians, OUR civilians are not more important than THEIR civilians' were hypocrites when they then go on to say 'We need to negotiate to get STABILITY, We can't antagonise them, we can't risk having HOMEGROWN terrorists'

And apologies to Giddy regarding the insults comment. I think I got you mixed up with another poster.
I stand by all my other comments though.

Why is it on every thread, someone finds someone to jump on for something. Anything!
Honestly, it is almost every single thread i go on.

We all have opinions, some are different to others. Why do people struggle to accept that. Agree to disagree and move on. Simple

Thank you Tim

You can't compare the IRA with Isis.

The worst that could ever have happened if the IRA had 'won' was a united Ireland.

No worries, Giddy.
Please believe me when I say this is not an argument I'm trying to 'win'.
I don't like the idea of bombing them, I really don't.
It worries me extremely that it will kill innocent people, or that it will cause people to 'rally to their side'.
It's just as I said I see it as the 'least worst' option. They just don't seem like the negotiating type.

Those who say we do nothing, what do you think will happen? Be specific, please.

(I hate the idea of bombing anyone, but as Tim says, is it the least worst option?)

I agree with Mr Corbyn.

I simply cannot understand the government's current stance on this. Cameron says we need to do this to 'make our streets safer'... while planning cuts to our police force, and intelligence services.

Surely what will make our streets safer is to protect our streets. With our police force, intelligence, home office etc. Not spending millions (billions?) on a campaign abroad.

Sadly it looks like he wants to flex his muscle and no one is going to stop him.

Im at a loss as to what can be done. I think bombing is the wrong option, but what other option is there?
I really dont believe bombing will help anything, but when the only other option is to do nothing...

I know the cuts the police force are just ridiculous! What a time to do it. It really is baffling

I think we should do as JC suggests - work with others in the ME to come to a diplomatic solution. We can't go in and fix this problem for them, but we can support them to fix it themselves.

When will we ever learn..?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/21/security-chiefs-police-firearms-officers-osborne-cuts

Hopefully, public opinion will force that idiot GO to do the sensible thing and invest where his security forces are telling him to.

But of course there aren't any backhanders from arms dealers when investing in local policing.... buying new planes and big guns is much more lucrative