To agree with Corbyn on response after Paris attacks?

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I am no expert but surely simply bombing Syria is not going to reduce the likelihood of terrors attacks in the UK?

Also, why not remove those who have travelled to Syria to fight with IS from the UK? Would this even be possible?

I'm sure they'd love to target the government. But they stand far less chance of success than hitting soft targets.

I'm sure they also love killing 'apostates', going by the statement they made

hackmum:
Nothing you wrote in your last post changes my mind, I think that you are trying to use American actions to justify religious lunatics murdering Europeans.

Calling me thick doesn't alter the fact that you write as if you are an apologist for these murderers.

Hack mum. There is always going to be collateral damage when you are fighting to stop terrorists hiding in civilian areas.

What's the answer? Just leave them alone and hope they go away? Because that won't be of any use to the family of an innocent person enjoying themselves on a Friday night out when they are cut down by a mad person.

Hackmum speaks sense.

We speak of the Middle East, they speak of the West. The finer details of different circumstances of individual countries gets lost in the rhetoric.

There's a lot to criticise in Western society. We do it ourselves on here every day.

So - 'the West' & the 'M East' kill innocent civilians going about their lives, the WEst & M.E are both moral degenerates anyway. The world is going to hell in a handcart. People grab onto certainties and simple narratives - Radical Islam and Britain First etc.

We'll understand them when we understand ourselves.

wow took em long to write that hackmum came back and said it better.

Hackmum
Do you seriously think that if the western government stopped any and all interference, that they would no longer want to impose their caliphate?
Is that what you're inferring? That this whole 'caliphate' business is just a load of smoke and mirrors trying to distract us from their real motive? Seriously?

Just out of curiosity, the 'do something' brigade, how do you see it panning out?
We bomb them to buggery. We kill a lot of ISIS on the ground, maybe the leaders, maybe not. We kill a lot of civilians. What then? Another group pops up. Bin Laden's death hasn't stopped the terrorism. Somebody else starts up claiming the West killed Muslims. Assad's sitting in Damascus still. It just keeps going.

Anonymous is claiming this is happening tomorrow...

It makes perfect sense what corbyn is saying.
I do get that we need to do something, but i dont believe bombing is the answer. Its quite hypocritical and it is only going to feed hatered.
I also think its pointless considering they seem to be everywhere other than syria.

The amount of news reports are worrying, too. As no doubt they are watching and hearing about how fear is spreading. Especially with the likes of polls that i have seen.
I know we need to hear the news, but i dont think it should be as massive as it is.

Timri - I'd imagine it would stop a lot the followers. Angry, grieving young men want to strike back. They want to follow someone who has neat simple answers, and a plan of vengeance.

Giddy. You could say the same about your point of view. We sit back. Ignore Isis and then when they try and impose their ideals on us get all cross about it. But it will be too late.

behave well if you read the thread people have indded already said that. Hence my question as to how those advocating bombing see it solving the problem.

7days Unfortunately it seems as if theres always been an endless supply of those.

As an aside, I find hypocrites calling others hypocritical startling. All these sentiments of 'You only care about white western lives, you don't care when our bombs kill innocent brown civilians do you' are fucking laughable, when your plan is, what?
'Let's make sure OUR citizens are not radicalised, let's make sure they don't retaliate against US, let's make sure OUR borders are safe, fuck the Syrians they're killing, as long as WE don't do it, and have their wrath come down on US, then WE'LL be fine'
Talk about I'm all fucking right Jack.

Giddy. What's best. Trying to do something or sitting on your arse doing nothing and then complaining when it all goes belly up?

We'll understand them when we understand ourselves.

I think this is true in essence, but is also broad brushing those who are pro action as not understanding the nuance or history of the situation. I also notice that those generally looking for more introspection are generally positive to giving more snooping powers against the general public at large without any sense of irony that those powers could stop such an attack.

What is it that corbyn wants dine about Isis?

I don't think he knows Ubik1
He knows what we shouldn't do, just not what we should.

behave can I refer you to my earlier answer to that question at 7.20pm. Now how about you tell me how you see the whole bombing thing panning out and fixing things?

The thing is...how do you do anything against people who are so ruthless and are willing and more than prepared to die for their cause.
There is nothing at all that can beat that...at least nothing i can think of.

Kill them off - their children, families and friends etc...not to mention the other innocent victims of what bombs can and will do - will possibly then follow them and so it starts again.

I think its possible this is what started it all to begin with

I don't know whether we should bomb or not. But I do know they are as angry about their dead civilians as we are about ours.

7 I'd wager that ISIS are more concerned about their members being killed than their civilians. Seeing as they are killing the civilians themselves

Yeah ISIS probably are. But their potential not-yet-radicalised recruits care about their families first.

7 they are ideoligical, they are not concerned with dead civilians of any region.

Timri, anonymous are a broad collective and have grown from 4chan script kiddies, using an express link to try and justify your stance is really not helping you.

I do get that. But what about all the 'apostates' being killed?
The Syrians are fleeing their own country. ^Because they're being killed'
I imagine that the ones left are there because they have nowhere to go.
I'd imagine that the 'would be members' are already sympathisers, and the ones who aren't are probably praying for someone to stop them