To throw away the landlord's shit in the loft?

[MuttonWasAGoose]

We've just moved in to a nice house. The landlady mentioned that the loft was partly boarded out and that they'd left "a couple of boxes in the very back that we couldn't reach."

I just went to stow some things and pretty most of the boarded out space is full of their stuff. It's about a dozen or so cartons of crap. Mostly toys and holiday decorations.

None of this is on the inventory. I'd like to use that space for our empty suitcases, camping gear, etc. There's already a large shed full of their stuff that I grudgingly accept we can't use. But the loft situation annoys me.

DH feels it would be wrong to empty the loft. I have been in this situation before (previous landlord was much, much worse and I did throw everything away.) I just have no patience for this. I think it's infantile to be unable to take responsibility for your belongings. If they can't be bothered to move it, or even inventory it, then they clearly can't really care about it.

The first carton I looked in had what was clearly a well-loved child's teddy. Even I don't have the heart to toss that. But what about the other stuff?

'seriously, does my contents insurance cover my landlords crap in the loft?'

I highly doubt it. Mine doesn't if the items are not a guest's property.

Guest? Lol

'IMO but she owns that house, you are a long standing guest. It might do you some good to remember that.'

Do you charge your guest money to stay with you? Do you expect them to grovel at your feet after having paid you money to stay with you?

Sorry expat, that wasn't to you. That was to the suggestion as tenants we are somehow long standing guests
Haha

It's quite cheeky of her to have left it IMO but she owns that house, you are a long standing guest. It might do you some good to remember that.

So Unreasonablebetty tell us how you got your name

You're not seriously serious about 'guest' are you? You did read the bit where OP was paying rent? Lots of it, I imagine.

I'm trying to not think about what I'd do if she says no. I'm expecting her to say OK and then maybe take a long time to do anything.

I'm not angry any longer... I did manage to squeeze my stuff up there, although there are a couple of other suitcases that will be needing storage soon. Maybe it will all be OK.

I think a few things (certainly rolls of wallpaper, leftover paint) make sense. Family possessions like toys do not. Perhaps it was a mistake and they were forgotten. If they just left them because they couldn't be arsed, then I think that's taking the piss.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of someday making room myself if she won't. Obviously, the right thing to do is give her a chance to do it.

But having been burnt before I am somewhat pessimistic.

Christ, no wonder tenants are angry. I think you've just brought me off the fence on the subject of tenancy reform betty.

Well, you could always tell her to shove it and buy your own house.

Seriously, where would we be if these 'wicked landlords' didn't let their properties?

As a landlord of several properties, I always tell the tenants what goes with the property. I have one shed on one of my properties that has my stuff in it and I tell them BEFORE they rent that it is not for their use and not part of the rental cost.
This is just good business.
When you call, frankly state your problem. I would say she has no idea that much stuff is up there, and therefore did not realize there would be storage issues for you as her renter.
Interested to hear outcome of your call.

We are renting the most expensive property that was on the market at the time we were looking. We looked at the reasonably priced properties, but they were all too cramped for a family of five. We also found that places were renting faster than we could view and apply for them. We saw this big house at twice the rent we were previously paying and decided to go for it.

The letting agent practically took our arm off as we were the only people to view it in three weeks.

We were also careful to check that they wanted a long term tenant. We found out about the owner and why they were renting it out to be sure that it wasn't just a temporary "until the market improves" situation.... been burnt by that before, too.

So we have fairly high expectations. We'd like to be here ten years or so and are willing to pay a lot for that.

Seriously, where would we be if these 'wicked landlords' didn't let their properties?

Who said 'wicked landlords'? I missed that bit.

Where would all the LLs be if it was easy to buy a house as a FTB these days?

It does make me determined to stay where lots of jobs are until the DC are late 20s, so that they have a reasonable chance of saving and buying in this insane market if they take the opportunity to live at home and do so. Hopefully they will manage to get a toe on a shared ownership scheme, at least, that way.

I'm a bit confused that you imagine 'buying your own house' is an easy proposition for FTBs clam.

Thanks milaforni my husband wants to wait until after dinner. I've calmed down quite a bit and I will approach her with the assumption that of course she wants to do the right thing.

We really do like this house and want to stay a long time.

I've never paid rent late in my life. I've always cleaned thoroughly when I've moved out. With three children, there have been some deductions from deposits, but we always do everything possible to make things right out of our own pocket before vacating. I just want landlords to hold their end of the bargain.

Oh yes, I forgot we could just move or buy our own house because the real world is like that isn't it
Just as well that I'm a long standing guest in my landlords home :o
I wonder what he's cooking me for tea tonight.....

(I've made homemade chicken kievs Fwiw )

What is missing in OP's posts is any indication that she's checked the tenancy agreement. It would be helpful to know whether the loft space is in fact included in the tenancy.

The bottom line is that if you throw away someone else's possessions without permission, that is theft. If they're not on an inventory it may be difficult to prove that they were there, but it's not necessarily impossible. So just throwing away someone else's stuff without consultation would be extremely unwise.

I am shocked you want to make sure there is no verbal record. Why? So they have no proof you have stolen and disposed of their property?

StrawberryTeaLeaf You appear to have missed my 'tongue-in-cheek.' I'll flag it up next time.

Owl seriously, how do you not slap people around the heads with said kiev when you are paying so much money (eye-watering money) in housing costs and random people are are talking about you as though you are waif someone has taken in out of the goodness of their hearts? There are some some 24 carat idiots about, I know but this thread is bonkers.

Don't do it!

Used to rent a period home. Ripped out the ugly, stained carpet in the front room (landlord was on board), did up the stunning wooden floor underneath paid for disposal of old, ugly carpet and ended up being billed for it when I moved out. Flat was then advertised as having 'gorgeous wooden floors'

I am not sure..... if the landlord never comes to get the boxes after several months, then I may want to have the option to make space for myself.... in the home that I am paying for. That space in the loft is mine.

I doubt it would come to that. I'd be more likely to drive it to her home and drop it off.

I did once throw away a ton of crap, but those owners were delusional and I'd verbally asked them to remove things. I didn't have the heart to throw away everything, but I did make room for my family.

The fact that there's no mention on the inventory could go either way. They could claim compensation for removal if there's no proof that it was here when we moved in.

Also op do you realise you can put things in the unboarded parts of the loft don't you. Just lay lighter item across the boards. Suitcase would be fine.

To be fair, my landlord is not wicked, he's just as tight as a badgers arse and this runs to repair and the general state of decor.
Every year I have a good clear out. I 're emulsion the wall, 're gloss. My children's rooms are clean and tidy despite two being teenagers.
The water system and boiler is so out of date I have to pay energy bills of over £300 a month, on top of the rent, we have no hope of buying a house round here because the prices are sky high (and rising)
Never missed rent, a bill, anything. We look after the house as if it was our own. I like yo think in return he lets us have a dog (we had to move from our own home, through job loss/relocation with them)
I'm not his guest!

seven that's a good point. Perhaps we'll just "board out some added space.

Magicalhamsandwich, I make my own furnishings, curtains etc. I gave this house a makeover, made lovely curtains etc
They put the rent up
By two hundred pound
Teeth
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