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AIBU to really not like the word Chav ?

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Frequentblooper · 13/11/2015 02:27

I've seen a few threads now where people use this word to describe others who I guess they feel are beaneth them ? The problem I have with this is I know these people may well view me as a "Chav" I certainly have all the background of one (although my eyebrows are normal) and although I work I can't afford my own house so I rent and I can't afford the best clothes so j have to shop at places like "select" etc also members of my family who I love could also be described as a "Chav". I think it's hate speech from middle and upper classes. I would like to say please can people not use it. I know it may be not meant in hatred but when I read that my heart sinks a little Blush

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usual · 13/11/2015 10:44

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ElderlyKoreanLady · 13/11/2015 10:46

I don't use the term myself, simply because I dislike using a label for someone that they don't use themselves.

That said, I don't agree that it's just a label used for the working class. I'm in a very poor WC area and round here the term is used to describe attitude and behaviour, not attire and/or wealth. So, someone smoking while holding a baby is a chav, people having screaming arguments in playgrounds are chavs, feckless fathers are chavs, that kind of thing. The person's class is irrelevant.

FWIW OP, round here your appearance wouldn't be out of place but you wouldn't be a chav.

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bruffin · 13/11/2015 10:52

"a member of a British subculture characterized by low- or middle-class youths with characteristics such as wearing athletic clothing, Burberry brand clothing, and gold chains, listening to rap music, driving low-end but "souped up" automobiles, and engaging in drunken and other crass behavior. Also called "townies" and "yobs".

definition of chav in the online slang dictionary
As others have said it is about behaviour not roots.

wowis · 13/11/2015 10:52

It is absolutely used to describe MC and UC where i'm from. It's about attitude and style choices. Just like hipster. Which you would totally see on the baby names board for certain names...maybe it's just not used in that way around you usual?

ElderlyKoreanLady · 13/11/2015 10:54

Actually, I've known MC people to be described as chavvy too. Respectfully, you not having come across something doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

MuddhaOfSuburbia · 13/11/2015 10:55

Imo it's nothing much to do with brands anymore

More accents, income, behaviour, where you live-so class signifiers

I hate it. I hate it when people I thought I liked say it

It feels worse than 'common' somehow

apricotdanish · 13/11/2015 10:56

Well, said usual! That's what I wanted to say but just couldn't find the words. You're so right and there is so much less language used to describe bad or stereotypically middle class behaviour. There has been far less televised humour poking fun at the middle classes. Where w/c people have been the butt of so much over time.

pilates · 13/11/2015 10:58

Usual, you carry on with your misguided beliefs when loads of posters have said otherwise.

wowis · 13/11/2015 10:59

It's funny how much it divides opinion, it's more a descriptive word in my circles. I might try a dress on and say I look a bit chavvy, or I look a bit hipster, or mutton dressed as lamb etc. Interchangeable really...I think it must be about how it's been used in your own experience as it just is not as offensive to me or mine as some of you guys feel it is.

MuddhaOfSuburbia · 13/11/2015 10:59

I totally absolutely 100% agree with what usual sez

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violetsarentblue · 13/11/2015 11:00

But what is 'Working Class' these days?
A lot of people who describe themselves as 'Working Class' don't even work.
Confused

Oswin · 13/11/2015 11:01

I think its definitely a sneery class thing. People say That even people with money are called chavs. Yes those people are normally working class gone rich, or the children of working class gone rich people.

I have never ever seen it used to describe true middle class or upper class people.

Why is wearing gold and Burberry seen as a bad thing? Because its associated with being working class that's why.

wowis · 13/11/2015 11:03

Oswin wouldn't that support my point then that it is about a style choice rather than how much money you have?

RiverTam · 13/11/2015 11:20

I don't know anyone who would use it as a blanket term for any WC person. No one does, I think. I would say that it's used to describe particular behaviour. Possibly to describe what might be called the underclass. Otherwise, why would some WC people use it negatively? Which some do.

I agree that it's not used to describe negative behaviour of MC people.

MorrisZapp · 13/11/2015 11:30

Nobody uses it to describe all WC people. My grandparents were all WC and as far from 'chav' as it's possible to get.

The word toff is only ever used in a mocking or negative way too. It means stuck up rich oik a la the Bullingdon Club doesn't it.

It certainly doesn't mean charming nice person who happens to have money.

MangosteenSoda · 13/11/2015 11:40

I didn't know most of this. I always understood it to describe ostentation and favouring items which show off how much has been spent on them.

So wearing tons of garishly branded stuff so everyone can see where it's from and guess how much it cost. Or a billionaire having gold plated wheels on the Rolls Royce.

Wheretheresawill1 · 13/11/2015 11:46

I thought it was more people on benefits that it referred to than working class in work . And not just anyone on benefits but those who are unpleasant and have who break the law Whenever I think of it an image of people in baseball hats and track suits comes to mind with behaviour like what I saw on the roads the other day. Just like they don't want to be like me I don't want to be like them. I see nothing wrong in the term chav but when told it meant council house and violent thought that wasn't very nice. What I love about mums net is that so many sneer at the middle classes yet when the middle classes allegedly sneer at 'chavs' it's wrong

syne · 13/11/2015 11:50

"I think its definitely a sneery class thing. People say That even people with money are called chavs. Yes those people are normally working class gone rich, or the children of working class gone rich people.
I have never ever seen it used to describe true middle class or upper class people.
Why is wearing gold and Burberry seen as a bad thing? Because its associated with being working class that's why."

It's not a sneery class thing really. It's a fairly accurate way to describe a certain type of individual regardless of 'class'.
If you've ever lived on or near a council estate you'll know exactly what it means; the type of person who hangs round the shops smoking weed, getting pissed, being abusive, wearing sports directs finest trackie bottoms tucked in socks and JD sports 'best' trainers, some of their mates might have a saxo or a corsa with 6x9's in the parcel shelf and bassline playing. They aren't really bothered about others opinions of them or have much consideration for others in general.

ofc it goes without saying not all weed heads, corsa owners or people who wear trackie bottoms are chavs.
Generally trying to pin it against working class isn't right because most of their mums will not be chavvy or necessarily from poor families even (but mostly they are from fairly poor backgrounds).
You won't see it used to describe many mid/upper class types because they simply won't fit into the description- you wouldn't describe Micheal Heseltine as black would you?-
Towie and Ali G aren't chavs, vicky pollarrd is, Micheal Carroll is, these people aren't...

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-409087/The-Chav-Rich-List.html

This is where the 'sneering at working class done good' comes from, mis application of chav to professional footballers who have probably been training and focused for their entire lives and have never turned up pissed at the job centre wearing fake burberry and argos 'sovereigns' on a Tuesday morning..

whois · 13/11/2015 11:56

Chav is the same as yob or louts or any other word to describe a group of people behaving in a way society doesn't find socially acceptable

StrawberryTeaLeaf · 13/11/2015 11:56

It's a fairly accurate way to describe a certain type of individual regardless of 'class'. If you've ever lived on or near a council estate you'll know exactly what it means;

'Regardless of class' but you'd need to 'live near a council estate' to know what it means? Hmm

OurBlanche · 13/11/2015 12:00

So.... two schools of thought on current meaning, then!

Pre 1990s derogatory term for less than honest, unpleasant, yobbish working class males.

Post 1990 derogatory term for an arrogant twat person into the Burberry Bling Thing

Usual I think that, like me, you probably met your first chav before yoof culture got Street -Porterised. Thank God Def II died a death Grin

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syne · 13/11/2015 12:07

'Regardless of class' but you'd need to 'live near a council estate' to know what it means?

no, you don't need to live near one but if you did there's a very high chance you'd not need it spelling out what chav really means.

You might find chavs milling around the selfridge cafe having scones and tea but I doubt it.

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