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'Tampon Tax' full list of MPs who voted against lowering the rate

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cricketballs · 27/10/2015 18:48

interesting link which shows the list of MPs who voted against cutting VAT on sanitary products. Interesting to see its only conservatives and includes female MPs Hmm

OP posts:
Pohtaytoh · 27/10/2015 20:51

hiddenhome2 don't be ridiculous.

Be bloody grateful you have access to disposable sanitary wear. For some woman they have no access. Or they are bloody grateful for the reusable pads they get. Piss and moan over £1 of VAT tax a year all you want. Or you know, suck it up and do something positive like making a donation to one of the many eonderful charities helping women in developing countries make their own reusable sanitary products. Or, like me, drop a packet of sanitary products into the foodbank box when you pick up some for yourself.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/10/2015 20:54

Up to a point I agree, Pohtaytoh - but in the very unusual circumstances, more information than I've already given would involve some pretty heavy "outing" which I'd rather not do

I'm the first to admit that I remain deeply angry about what this ghastly, unprincipled woman did, but then I have good reason. Whether Bamboo feels able to accept that or not doesn't concern me, I'm afraid

DamnBamboo · 27/10/2015 21:00

How can you out an MP?
Someone who has apparently knowingly done these things and who is in the public eye as an elected representative. Surely you'd want to raise attention what a shit-bag they are.
I don't give two figs what you say about her, and it's not an issue of acceptance although it has to be said your post which said 'if you knew what she'd done... ' or something like that, clearly doesn't make sense.
I don't know who she is and don't really care. But your words speak volumes about you and a frothing rant of this nature is actually rather amusing.

LuluJakey1 · 27/10/2015 21:01

Actually that is true about men and razors.

Ilovetorrentialrain · 27/10/2015 21:01

inthebox start that initiative off why not? Don't stop at just considering it, galvanise the troops!

DamnBamboo · 27/10/2015 21:06

Who is meant to pay for these items if they should be free lulu?

Seriously!

InTheBox · 27/10/2015 21:19

Ilovetorrentialrain I'm in but as much as others might support the cause, I highly doubt they'd want to join it.

InTheBox · 27/10/2015 21:21

And quite frankly, I really could not give a single shit if men's razors are taxed. I don't believe in 'whataboutery' arguments.

LineyReborn · 27/10/2015 21:23

Are women's razors not taxed as much as men's?

scaevola · 27/10/2015 21:26

I have never found anything that says any razor is anything other than standard rated.

caroldecker · 27/10/2015 21:30

Up until 1991, EU countries could decide what to tax and at what rate. Ireland initially taxed tampons (when VAT was introduced in 1973). In 1992, all EU countries agreed a minimum rate of 15%, with certain items (including tampons) allowable under a lower rate (minimum 5%) - existing exemptions remained (which at this point included tampons in Ireland and fuel in the UK).
The reason behind the unification was to try and prevent cross-border competition using lower vat rates.
The EU actually wanted to remove all exemptions.

LineyReborn · 27/10/2015 21:30

I've often noticed that Asda disposable razors are more expensive in the "lady's" packets than the men's tbh.

hiddenhome2 · 27/10/2015 21:31

Men don't have to shave. It's not essential, whereas hygienically collecting menstrual blood probably is if you want to avoid making a total mess everywhere.

scaevola · 27/10/2015 21:34

"The EU actually wanted to remove all exemptions."

The possibility of unintended consequences of reopening VAT issues has, I think, been a reason why no Government wants to take this on. Especially when there are quite a few awkward EU issues tying up both politician and eurocrat time already.

PiperIsTerrysChoclateOrange · 27/10/2015 22:03

Another thing which is 5% vat is car seats, now I'm not arguing the law because it's a very good law that protects young children.

However the law states you must have an appropriate car seat for a child, but the VAT then conflicts this by saying that it's not essential.

Tbh I will like to see more VAT added to treat food then stop the VAT on SanPo and car seats ect.

PansyGiraffe · 27/10/2015 22:17

As said above - no one is saying car seats are a luxury, VAT is a tax on consumption (which was introduced at the time the UK'S then luxury tax was abolished. But it's not the same thing.)

RufusTheReindeer · 27/10/2015 22:30

What on earth do razors have to do with anything

They are not a gendered product as women use them as well

I dont use the pink ones as they cost twice as much as "mens" razors Smile

DaisyChain87 · 27/10/2015 22:31

I resent being taxed for being a woman.

RJnomaaaaaargh · 27/10/2015 22:34

VAT is a Feminist Issue

bluebolt · 27/10/2015 22:41

The purpose of this amendment was for the Tories to look bad, vote for they have to then produce a result that is impossible with all that is going on in the EU, vote against they get the bad headlines and comments like some of the ones in these threads. Can just imagine the conversations in the EU with all that is happening with refuges being diverted so DC can talk about UK women having to pay 5% tax. The problem with car seats I would imagine is even though it is law to have one it could be seen as a luxury to own the car. I am sure the vote would of been different if the government had control to do something.

Shutthatdoor · 27/10/2015 22:42

Think I'm slightly frustrated at the ill informed opinions on here. It's all a bit Daily Mail headline-like. I'm cringing at some of the posts.

I actually agree.

Nottodaythankyouorever · 27/10/2015 22:45

I am sure the vote would of been different if the government had control to do something.

Very true.

It is an EU issue. Stupid to even vote on something they have no authority to change.

Ilovetorrentialrain · 27/10/2015 23:23

I blame alliteration and the catchy tampon tax headline grabber. :)

TheIncomparableDejahThoris · 27/10/2015 23:38

I think it was a useless grandstand of a vote, given our place within the EU. I am delighted that Gordon Brown took it down to 5% and I am satisfied with that. I suggest we go with earlier suggestions and increase benefits to compensate for VAT costs.

RickRoll · 27/10/2015 23:40

Some history:

1940 - Purchase tax introduced, at 33 1/3%. Various exemptions provided, as well as lower rates for certain goods.

1969 - Purchase Tax (No 1) Order exempts incontinence pads from purchase tax

1973: Purchase tax replaced with VAT, at 10%, as a condition of the UK joining the EU. This was enacted by the 1972 Finance Act www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1972/41/pdfs/ukpga_19720041_en.pdf

This provided for a zero rating on:

books, food, newspapers, water, fuel, construction of new buildings, transport, caravans, gold, banknotes, plus drugs, medicines and appliances supplied on prescription

And exemption for:
land, insurance, postal services, gambling, finance, education, health services, and burials + cremations

Incontinence pads are subject to VAT if not provided on prescription or by a hospital.

1973: Ireland also joins EU, introduces VAT

1974: higher rate of UK VAT introduced for some products

1977: VAT harmonization begins, with 77/388/EEC eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:31977L0388. This provided that all goods and services would be subject to VAT in the EU, with the exception that there would be a transitional period where reduced/exemptions rates, for 'clearly defined social reasons' 'for the benefit of the final consumer' could be maintained, subject to five-yearly-review in order to aim to abolish them. This allowed the UK and Ireland, which are the only countries in the EU with zero rates, to continue with zero rates, as they already existed as of 31 December 1975

1979: higher rate of UK VAT abolished

1984: Ireland reduces VAT to zero on sanitary products www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1984/act/9/section/92/enacted/en/html

1992: 92/77/EEC eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:31992L0077, requires a minimum VAT rate of 15%, except for a reduced VAT rate of AT LEAST 5%, which is allowed to be applied to a specified list of goods and services:

1 Foodstuffs (including beverages but excluding alcoholic beverages) for human and animal consumption; live animals, seeds, plants and ingredients normally intended for use in preparation of foodstuffs; products normally intended to be used to supplement or substitute foodstuffs
2 Water supplies
3 Pharmaceutical products of a kind normally used for health care, prevention of diseases and treatment for medical and veterinary purposes, including products used for contraception and sanitary protection
4 Medical equipment, aids and other appliances normally intended to alleviate or treat disability, for the exclusive personal use of the disabled, including the repair of such goods, and children's car seats
5 Transport of passengers and their accompanying luggage
6 Supply, including on loan by libraries, of books (including brochures, leaflets and similar printed matter, children's picture, drawing or colouring books, music printed or in manuscript, maps and hydrographic or similar charts), newspapers and periodicals, other than material wholly or substantially devoted to advertising matter
7 Admissions to shows, theatres, circuses, fairs, amusement parks, concerts, museums, zoos, cinemas, exhibitions and similar cultural events and facilities Reception of broadcasting services
8 Services supplied by or royalties due to writers, composers and performing artists
9 Supply, construction, renovation and alteration of housing provided as part of a social policy
10 Supplies of goods and services of a kind normally intended for use in agricultural production but excluding capital goods such as machinery or buildings
11 Accommodation provided by hotels and similar establishments including the provision of holiday accomodation [sic] and the letting of camping sites and caravan parks
12 Admission to sporting events
13 Use of sporting facilities
14 Supply of goods and services by organizations recognized as charities by Member States and engaged in welfare or social security work, insofar as these supplies are not exempt under Article 13
15 Services supplied by undertakers and cremation services, together with the supply of goods related thereto
16 Provision of medical and dental care as well as thermal treatment in so far as these services are not exempt under Article 13
17 Services supplied in connection with street cleaning, refuse collection and waste treatment, other than the supply of such services by bodies referred to in Article 4 (5)'

92/77/EEC provides that lower (i.e. zero) rates can continue to be maintained PROVIDED that the rate was in force prior to 1 January 1991, and continually existed since then.

1993 - Finance Act introduced new 8% VAT rate for domestic fuel, only

1997 - Finance Act by new Labour government cuts domestic fuel VAT to 5%, which was the minimum allowable under 92/77/EC

1998 - reduced rate of 5% made more general

2000 - reduced rate applied to sanitary products

So basically sanitary products are taxed at the lowest rate allowable, and the UK is not allowed to go any lower, otherwise they are liable to be taken to the European Court, where they WILL lose.

E.g., the Uk recently was defeated and forced to increase VAT from 5% to 20% on energy-saving materials (a measure introduced only in 1998). And if they reduce VAT from 5% to 0 on sanitary products, they will certainly lose.

The average EU rate on sanitary products is 17%. Only Ireland has zero, this is because it reduced the rate to zero before 1991 (in 1984).