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Original poster

so if the TC cut fails where is the money going to be cut?

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Jaxsbum · 27/10/2015 10:14

cos I am scared that yet again disabled people will be hit. add that to the millions locals are cutting to sn services...
the money has to come from somewhere.... so whilst I am pleased that so many are happy.
where will it come from?

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Mairyhinge · 27/10/2015 13:31

I'm terrified. I am on long term ESA and still waiting for the result of my last form filling excercise. My form had to be back by 28th February....8 months later I'm still waiting, although I'm still being paid, I'm scared they're going to rule I'm not worthy.
Same with my dla. Long term illness, indefinite award of high rate mobility, mid rate care. I know I'm kissing that goodbye when I'm "invited" to apply for pip. So that's my car gone.
This government won't be happy until all the sick & disabled are dead, so no need to worry about us slackers, and all the poor will be shipped into work houses...that's next, you watch, there'll be work houses and poor houses, Victorian values..... shudders

LunchpackOfNotreDame · 27/10/2015 13:32

Why will you kiss it goodbye? Have you actually read up on pip?

Devilishpyjamas · 27/10/2015 13:34

A lot of people are losing HRM PIP because the rules gave changed - especially those with physical disabilities.

ingenvillvetavardukoptdintroja · 27/10/2015 13:37

Are they not just making it up as they go along? It's hard to understand how there is no money for welfare but 8 million for that cartoon dinosaur advertising campaign about pensions....

mollie123 · 27/10/2015 13:40

lots of hysteria here as usual

LunchpackOfNotreDame · 27/10/2015 13:44

here's how the points work

There are some variances as you can be awarded points if you don't fit the criteria listed if your disability is similar to one listed. So if you can walk unaided but can only do so for 10mins you will probably get 4 points.

Mairyhinge · 27/10/2015 15:51

Thanks for that link lunchpack
I'm a member of that site, invaluable.
I easily score enough points, it's not that I'm worried about, it's the fact that they never believe what you say, despite me having medical evidence.
I just feel a battle coming on.

ottothedog · 27/10/2015 15:57

Maybe we could stop bombing places/people in the middle east so much. That might save a few bob.

ottothedog · 27/10/2015 16:04

320 million well spent in only 8 months on libya. Syria has been quite a bit cheaper so far but we could save 100 million or so there

MrsBartlettforthewin · 27/10/2015 16:17

They could have not raised MP's pay - I know some of them turned it down/ donated it to charity but if the rest of the public sector needs to have pay freezes/cuts pretty sure MP's could have done with out it.

Stop tax breaks for their mates would be another one/ get big companies to actually pay the tax they owe rather than only a bit of it none of it

Not waste money on hosting a foreign dictator for several days.

cleaty · 27/10/2015 16:21

DLA has already been cut. There is a process over time to move everyone on to PIP. Although it only applies to adults.

You can tell who is going to be cut next by the stories in the Daily Mail. They always highlight the few abuses of any tax before it is cut. So if there will be more cuts to PIP, then there will be stories of disabled people holidaying in Spain over the winter from their PIP monies.

Viviennemary · 27/10/2015 16:30

I don't know why people think this is the end of the tax credit cut. Welfare will be cut. Why not just say not claims for household earning over £25K a year. And child benefit only for people earning less than say £45K a year total household income. And no claims for part-time people unless not able to work full-time because of disability. And fuel allowance for over 75 year olds only unless on a low income. There are plenty of things they could cut. They just upset too many people. It if was only a few people suffering nobody would care. Everyone is out for themselves. No doubt in my mind about that. And as for housing benefit. Cancel it completely.

LunchpackOfNotreDame · 27/10/2015 16:37

My doctors keep telling me to save my PIP money and spend it on a holiday

twofingerstoGideon · 27/10/2015 16:41

The cuts are ideological and unnecessary. They could easily raise revenue by ensuring companies pay a fairer share of tax and close down all the loopholes allowing so-called non-doms to 'legally' (but not morally) avoid paying taxes.

Starbucks, Amazon, etc., must be pissing themselves laughing while they watch the hoi polloi squabble.

cleaty · 27/10/2015 16:44

Lunchpack - Just to be clear, I don't care how anyone spends their PIP money. But they always highlight the unusual cases before cuts.

LunchpackOfNotreDame · 27/10/2015 16:49

Oh I know I'm just wondering when I'll end up in the daily mail for following doctors orders

As it is I use it for private treatments where the waiting list is too long on the NHS

cleaty · 27/10/2015 16:53

Well then the article will be "Taxpayers Pay for Private Treatment". Monies mean't to support disabled people, is instead being used by some to jump NHS queues etc.

expatinscotland · 27/10/2015 16:53

They could ax Trident. Monkeys might fly, too.

bodenbiscuit · 27/10/2015 16:57

I think that unfortunately the tax credit cuts will go ahead. I do hope the HOL has put the breaks on though. Whenever there is opposition the Tories dig their heels in. They will want this to stand or they will look stupid.

What I find ironic is them moaning that it's undemocratic because the HOL is not elected. There is no way they would have got a majority of they had been honest about tax credit cuts. They lied blatantly.

cleaty · 27/10/2015 16:59

And lots of MNers on here said these cuts were coming. We were all told that we were scaremongering.

bodenbiscuit · 27/10/2015 16:59

VivienneMary - so what are people supposed to do if their employer can't give them full time hours? This is more often the case than not these days.

bodenbiscuit · 27/10/2015 17:01

Did they actually cut housing benefit for under 25s? That was an equally nasty idea.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 27/10/2015 17:13

If housing benefit was cancelled, how on earth would people pay their rent? Your average JSA claimant only gets £73 a week .

As for companies moving abroad because they pay too much tax, the UK has one of the lowest rates of CT in the world. Well, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia have lower rates, for example ...

Mistigri · 27/10/2015 17:26

ESA is already being cut; you can't cut the same thing twice.

The amounts being saved by TC cuts is relatively trivial in the greater scheme of things. About a quarter of it could be clawed back just by reversing the cut in inheritance tax.

ilovechristmas123 · 27/10/2015 17:27

somebody suggested scrapping HB how the hell would people pay their rent,im really interested to know ???

does that mean the rule for claiming TC for only 2 children will stop for now or does that one not come under the vote last night ??

do people think thy will make DLA harder to claim,i thought all adults had to claim PIP now,will they try to make PIP harder to claim or take money of existing claimants ??

so many questions

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