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To ask about child tax credit cuts.

478 replies

yellowbird11 · 23/10/2015 16:09

Is it inevitable and if so will it affect everyone? what a massive worry to all of you who are going to be affected.My DD works 16 hours a week and has 1 child. She'd love to do more hours as her child is at school but isn't able to. Can anyone give me any idea how much she'll lose, and when? I'm so worried for her because I know without these tax credits they'll be barely able to eat and keep warm. How can these Tory bs sleep at night?

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dreamingofsun · 23/10/2015 17:25

fanjo - personally i'm not looking down on anyone. I've done lots of low paid jobs in my time. I am, however, paying a much higher share of tax than the average person, so yes I am funding them. This I accept as life and the way it goes, but it does niggle when i'm referred to as a ToryXXXX

RoobyTuesday · 23/10/2015 17:26

I agree Fanjo. It's the 'I'm alright so fuck the rest of them' attitude. A total lack of insight or empathy into anyone else's circumstances.

BrandNewAndImproved · 23/10/2015 17:26

I'm a sp. I had no one to pick the dc up from school. In a two parent household you can make it work with longer hours and no childcare.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 23/10/2015 17:26

Others are lucky if they can overcome those problems and should not therefore look down on others who can't.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 23/10/2015 17:27

You aren't personally funding people by paying a proportional share of tax.

Pyjamaramadrama · 23/10/2015 17:29

Dreaming I think that she was referring to the government.

The government could have made changes to what is a flawed system without these sudden and massive cuts.

Attitudes do need to be changed in some cases however there are different ways to go about it.

Zame · 23/10/2015 17:30

Rather than writing Tory XXXX all the time or whatever can we start just writing Tory twats or Tory cunts or Tory bastards?

dreamingofsun · 23/10/2015 17:31

i am pleased the gov is making noises about relooking at TC. I would hate for it to be the next poll tax and for the tories to lose the next election over it. Some of the amounts people are talking about suddenly losing are scary. just don't ask me to be sympathetic with someone who doesn't want to work more than 16 hours, or thinks couples have no issues with childcare, or have loads of luck rather than making their own

Sonnet · 23/10/2015 17:32

You have been very lucky Babyroob to not pay Child care with four children unfortunately many jobs do not have shift patterns to allow that to happen as DH and myself have found out. That has not stopped both of us working to be able to afford to live and we have taken it on the chin that childcare costs are part of having a family they don't last forever !

blondiebonce · 23/10/2015 17:33

Oh for goodness sake, Dark.

I can't afford childcare, even if I work more hours. As soon as my daughter qualifies for the free childcare at 2 I will be retraining so I can earn more to afford to not need tax credits and can afford childcare. Ofc no guarantee on walking into such a job so in the meantime I need tax credits.

I understand people work hard but 95% of the people I know on them aren't on them by laziness. I can understand your frustration in a lot of ways but to begrudge everyone with sweeping statements is just small minded.

Let's hope nothing happens to those who currently hate them, so as to need them themselves. It's a safety net.

Owllady · 23/10/2015 17:33

I agree with expat
There is no focus on all the corruption at the top. Multi million corporations avoiding or evading tax
The focus is always put on those less fortunate. I didn't leave school wanting to work for a supermarket, I ended up doing that because of my circumstances and I was flexible enough to take on unpaid roles within the company (like area trainer for example) to progress. Not everyone can do that.
I find it odd that people can't use their imaginations more, developmental conditions/disorders aside

Pyjamaramadrama · 23/10/2015 17:33

Dreaming I've been on both sides I've been a sp and in a couple being part of a couple is a million times easier. We still have childcare issues and will only break even for a while but doing it completely alone is fucking hard.

Zame · 23/10/2015 17:33

Lots of people work long hours for low pay and therefore do not earn enough to live on.
I imagine they work equally as hard if not harder than people on say, salaries of 50,000 plus.
They are not low paid because of some failure on their part.
They are low paid because wages are shite and the cost of living is high.
Therefore they need state assistance in order to live.
I understand it suits the torys to blame low paid people for their position , in the main, they're very far removed from the lives of most people.

Shutthatdoor · 23/10/2015 17:33

I think the reason people are hostile to Tories on threads like this is their looking down on others that they see as doing menial lowly jobs and implying they personally fund them with their taxes.

You could flip that however and say 'tories' are fed up of being called, smug, scum and ba as they regularly are on threads like this.

Name calling however helps no one on either 'side'. Neither do sweeping generalisations.

If you start an OP with name calling you are going to put people's backs up before you even start.

ghostyslovesheep · 23/10/2015 17:34

dreaming unless you never claimed CB, where educated privately, educate your children privately, never use the NHS ever and never had a passport or used anything that's publicly funded you are talking utter rubbish

you are probably just paying back what YOU owe

Be very careful on the pedestal though - 6 years ago I was happily married with a joint income of £80k - times change and life can suddenly turn shit

Owllady · 23/10/2015 17:35

And what enthusiasm said too!

Bubblesinthesummer · 23/10/2015 17:35

Rather than writing Tory XXXX all the time or whatever can we start just writing Tory twats or Tory cunts or Tory bastards?

The point of that would be!?

Zame · 23/10/2015 17:35

So to conclude, they have no interest in understanding the lives of others (as also demonstrated by Tory poster on this thread) and really shouldn't be governing a country.

Bunch of pricks

howabout · 23/10/2015 17:36

I really struggle with the notion that middle earners today are paying over the odds in tax. Last time I worked in the UK the PA was tiny and the basic rate was 25%.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 23/10/2015 17:36

Well I didn't call Tories these things.

But they don't help themselves IMO.

Zame · 23/10/2015 17:36

Well the point would be speaking like adults, no need to censor ourselves

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 23/10/2015 17:36

I never understand why people don't just do the best for their own families and realise others are just doing their best too.

Owllady · 23/10/2015 17:37

My daughter had a very expensive operation on the nhs last week and she'll have lots of rehabilitation support and she'll never pay tax :o
The nhs is wonderful :)

ghostyslovesheep · 23/10/2015 17:38

I never understand why people don't just do the best for their own families and realise others are just doing their best too exactly x

Shutthatdoor · 23/10/2015 17:38

But they don't help themselves IMO

Neither does the left either tbh. Name calling etc just weakens whatever points people are trying to make. and I am a Labour voter