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To think Scotland should have won.

56 replies

flyrobynfly43 · 19/10/2015 16:59

I don't blame them for being angry.
A crazy, last-minute, wrong decision cost them the match.

I don't blame Joubert for running off! (he's probably still running) Grin

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OllyBJolly · 19/10/2015 19:05

Despite lots of film and photographs of him running from the pitch there is no evidence of a bottle being thrown. I'm sure there would have been pictures plastered everywhere if there was.

flyrobynfly43 · 19/10/2015 19:13

Some say he scarpered because someone threw a bottle at him. Confused

If by some remote chance this information was even real, it was more than likely a plastic bottle.
(and there was me thinking these southern hemisphere lot were a tough bunch)

He runs off, like a big girl's blouse, over ONE PLASTIC bottle?
Yeah, man of the match material for sure Grin

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JassyRadlett · 19/10/2015 19:18

Unfortunately, looking at Gavin Hastings' comments, he's got the TMO rules wrong.

NotMeNotYouNotAnyone · 19/10/2015 19:22

Very exciting game, both teams played well and both made a few mistakes. Absolutely gutted for Scotland though.

Very bad form for the ref to run off! The teams stayed on to shake hands etc, he should've at least shaken the hands of the captains regardless of needing the toilet. A grown man who is healthy enough to run around a rugby pitch and presumably had chance to go 40 minutes earlier should be able to wait two minutes longer

JassyRadlett · 19/10/2015 19:23

If by some remote chance this information was even real, it was more than likely a plastic bottle

The source seems to be Chris Foy who says it was plastic.

That said, I'm not sure I'd fancy even a plastic bottle chucked at me from a stand, particularly if you weren't sure whether there'd be more to come. Empty/full makes a difference too I guess.

flyrobynfly43 · 19/10/2015 20:40

If it were full, I dread to think what it was filled with Wink

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TheSnowFairy · 19/10/2015 20:45

[http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34576756]

Joubert was wrong say governing body of world rugby...

scarlets · 19/10/2015 20:45

Terrible lineout decision, poor ref decision. It was an unsatisfactory end to the match for this neutral fan.

carabos · 19/10/2015 20:45

Latest on this is that World Rugby has confirmed the decision was wrong but is standing by Joubert.

TheSnowFairy · 19/10/2015 20:46

Not sure if link has worked but it's from page of BBC news online.

TheSnowFairy · 19/10/2015 20:46

Front not from!

TheSnowFairy · 19/10/2015 20:47

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34576756

NotMeNotYouNotAnyone · 19/10/2015 20:48

I think it would be hugely unfair to Australia to go back on things now. They played well and they won. The ref's decision played a part but it out of Australia's control just as much as its out of Scotland's control.

Lauren15 · 19/10/2015 20:50

Scotland played with so much heart. I'm gutted for them.

expatinscotland · 19/10/2015 20:56

'They played well and they won'

But they didn't. They 'won' because of a rogue ref who made a wrong decision unilaterally. That's not the same thing. They need to change the rules, too, to ensure this doesn't happen again. Who would feel good about 'winning' knowing that truth? I'd feel like it was cheating.

GrouchyKiwi · 19/10/2015 20:59

If it had just been that one bad decision then I'd be a bit happier to accept the result with good grace. But in the last two minutes he made two bad decisions - not having the TMO review the late shoulder charge on Stuart Hogg (it wasn't a tackle), and the offside ruling - and Sean Maitland was given an unwarranted yellow earlier in the match. It was a poor display from Joubert. He was also harsh on Australia in the scrums.

Re the disallowed Australian try: that is what the TMO is for (that and foul play) so I'm giving him no brownie points for using it properly at that point.

Joubert has form for game-changing decisions in major matches. Just ask the Canterbury Crusaders back in NZ.

I think World Rugby needs to look at how the TMO is used. Certainly for major competitions like the World Cup.

Atathania · 19/10/2015 21:05

I think Jiffy is spot on on Twitter - if Joubert did as I'd alleged and failed to shake hands with the captains that is unacceptably poor form - but character assassination of a referee isn't on either.

They're human - everyone gets it wrong sometimes - including Nigel Owen's who by any standards is one of the best around right now but admits he's made decisions which on reflection were wrong and could have changed the outcome of the match.

I am absolutely gutted for Scotland - more so than I actually was for my own team - but there comes a point where enough garments have been rent and it's time to get on with it.

JassyRadlett · 19/10/2015 21:05

A agree, Kiwi, it was dodgy reffing throughout, for both sides. Though of course the decisions in the final few minutes will feel much more stark.

GrouchyKiwi · 19/10/2015 21:05

I do agree, though, that the long lineout throw was a nonsensical decision, and would have been even in dry weather. No idea what they were thinking there.

Atathania · 19/10/2015 21:06

Damn you phone! Is alleged, not I'd alleged.

stealthbanana · 19/10/2015 21:17

Meh. Scotland should have been penalised in pretty much every single scrum - their loose head prop was not ing in at an angle and the scrum was popping up every time. Not a single one of those paid - this is why the wallabies dislike Joubert intensely. It was a woeful game of refereeing but it was consistently bad. At the end of the day Scotland conceded 5 tries and 2 of the 3 tries they got were gifted to them by unforced Aussie errors, so it's not like they were clearly the better team.

I think cheika said it best when he said that some of them go your way, some don't...that's rugby!

stealthbanana · 19/10/2015 21:17

*boring not not ing!

Bambambini · 19/10/2015 21:27

I don't know enough about the rules but have been reading some accounts where they insist the ref was actually right because the Aussie player may have touched it last but it didn't count as it was accidental and there was no intent to play the ball - or something.

GrouchyKiwi · 19/10/2015 21:41

Accidental knock ons are about 99% of them, so that makes not the least bit of sense to me.

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