To have zero sympathy for this woman

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The tearful woman on BBC Question Time claims to have been a Tory voter. She's reaping what she sows.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hame-you-hardworking-mums-tearful-6643284

The papers say she gets child support, so he's paying.

Running a business at no profit then takings £21k in tax credits is the very reason the cuts are being made. She isn't forced to work a business that doesn't make anything, she could get a job for an employer like millions of other parents do.

No sympathy, the cuts are obviously being aimed in the right direction.

i couldnt muster much sympathy watching it last night

most vote for who is going to be the best party for their circumstances

she was very naive to think that she would not be included in the cuts,but as others have said she didnt mind other groups (where she was not affected) being cut

so no i cant feel much sympathy,she thought she would be exempt voting Tory and found to her cost she was not

does she own a nail bar,well if its anything like the one i visit they only take cash so im sure she can find away to make up the differrence

i do wander if we had a re-election whether the result would be the same

She gets £21k in tax credits?

Having just watched this I have no sympathy at all.
She voted for her own interests...fuck the disabled and the vulnerable.
Well.
Haven't her birds come home to roost?

Do you have a link for that cookie? I am stunned that she gets so much in tax credits.

I would love to know how much a family like the Radford's get in tax credits, if 4 gets you £21k.

Cookie not everyone who claims tax credits is like her.

Typical example a TA earning 12k mother of one receiving around £112 per week in tax credits half of that would go on childcare for before and after school clubs

hold on a set of nails will cost anything from £25-£35 and in fills will be £16-20

a full set will take approx 1 hr and in-fills 45 mins,she is working from home so im sure she is claiming expenses (electric,water etc) no costly rent either to pay and she is not making a profit

she is either terrible at business or not being honest

if she is not making a profit she really should work for someone else,though i doubt that will happen as i think there is alot more to this

i think she has made a big mistake going public as her whole life will be under the microscope now

also if its true she is getting child support that will be on top of the £21k TC as child support is not included in that,so how much is she actually getting ??

she is going to regret Question time i think

I feel sorry for her financial situation, but we all knew that the Tories would make sweeping cuts to benefits, why anyone who relies at all on the state or wants an NHS or the backup of welfare if their situation changes, would vote Tory is beyond me.

Everyone who earns £30k plus these days seem to think they're some Bertie Big Bollocks whose interests the Tories would protect. Sorry but Tory interests don't trickle down that far, not even close.

If she and the father were on mega bucks when they decided to have four children and then redundancy/illness/father not contributing enough happened then yes I have sympathy for her. BUT if they had four children thinking running a poorly paid nail bar and claiming huge amount of benefits was the way to go then no I don't.

I've no idea which is the case here.

www.theguardian.com/money/2015/oct/16/david-cameron-spokesman-respond-question-time-tax-credits-complaint

Heigh, the DM says £400 a week from tax credits and child benefit from memory.

Entitled to says with a nominal £1000 yearly salary and £100 a week rent would net £24500k in benefits with four children. That's a whole lot of hours somebody on minimum wage would have to work to have the same income.

"they didn't disclose that they were going to make such a huge and abrupt cut to tax credits."

They made it clear they wanted to cut tax benefits. It has always been clear that they are not the party of low income people. What did she really expect?

I don't understand why any person claiming any type of benefit would think it was a good idea to vote for the Tory party. If you are living on the bread line and relying on government top ups from going under then it will not make any sense to vote for a party that favours the rich over hard work, that favours inheritance tax cuts over raising minimum wages.

I wonder which party this woman will vote for in the next election? There were others like her, though they will not be so brave as to say which party they voted for and get turned over.

BBC adds this quote: "She added: “I can see myself going into politics in the future. It’s something I’ve thought about.”

Maybe less time thinking and more time working at your business to make it profitable. Or reading party manifestos instead of being swayed by the tide of campaign spin.

Out of curiosity, why not raise the living wage and cut these tax credits gradually sort of at the same time? Or is it too much to ask business and corporate to do their part just like everyone else?

YABU. We all make mistakes. Would you have no pity for a woman who was with an abusive partner because she chose to be with him?

I don't think, ideally, that anyone should get tax credits. Essentially it's a way of enabling benefit scrounging corporations not to pay their workers a decent wage. But, unless and until there is a move to a living wage - a real one - tax credits should not be cut. Cameron blathering on about a package that will not be in place for another four and a half years isn't going to help people who are losing £1800 next spring.

As to this woman, give her a break and hope that she's learned to consider her voting choice more carefully in the future.

I feel for the women who post in relationships about leaving abusive partners. Often their decision hinges on the level of benefits they might get if they make the break. How many will be too fearful to leave now?

Tax credits are a subsidy so that businesses don't need to pay a proper wage. Other taxpayers (many of whom do not get benefits) effectively have to subsidise low pay (and part time work). The same is the case with housing benefit. The solution is not more benefits but to get businesses to pay a proper wage and to get the cost of housing down (either via rent control or some other mechanism). Throwing more money via benefits to resolve low pay/high housing costs just increases costs for everyone as it sets a floor on rents and means that employers will not pay more because they know the taxpayer will pay the rest.

There are supermarkets that are complaining having to pay a living wage will destroy them - yet one CEO taking a ten million pound package doesn't have the same effect..? I wonder why?

I hope that at the next election people will actually look into the policies and the ideologies of the party they vote for, rather than voting for whichever party's leader looks best eating a bacon sandwich.

"We all make mistakes. Would you have no pity for a woman who was with an abusive partner because she chose to be with him?"

This thread's about sympathy not pity. It's also not about abusive partners.

Yabu. She had her head in the clouds and wasn't clued up on what the tories would do. She won't be the only one they shaft.

Yea, it is cookie. Wow.

'The same is the case with housing benefit. The solution is not more benefits but to get businesses to pay a proper wage and to get the cost of housing down (either via rent control or some other mechanism). '

The thing is, the Tories aren't doing anything except cutting the tax credits.