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WWYD? Xmas family do and christian extremists, now a guilt trip!

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MySordidCakeSecret · 16/10/2015 10:19

I said after last year that was it, I wouldn't attend the boxing day get together of my extended family again. But now the guilt tripping's begun, and I knew this would happen. I feel bad and I don't know if i;m making the right decision.

My extended family are all part of a subsect of christianity i doubt any of you will have heard of. But it's pretty extreme, thing no marriage outside the religion, against homosexuality, against being "part of the world" and then recently my childhood "meeting" as it's called split up because a couple of divorcees wanted to join, and half said they wouldn't break bread with divorced people.

So that's the context. I always enjoyed the get together as a child. Often it was the only time of the yr i saw my extended family, but then again as a child i was indoctrinated brought up within the religion so that didn't bother me. Now I'm an adult with my own children it's a different story.

Last year was hell. Some relatives were downright rude, pushed religion onto my children, i was given no choice but to participate in their religious activities and then sat though comments which made me so seething angry i left without saying goodbye. It makes me deeply uncomfortable because of my experiences. Last yr as well I was going through a police report of a historic sexual abuse, but because the offender was part of the religion, i was told by family there was no need to tell police, they could sit me and him in a room and talk about it (wtf?) and given no support.

My aunt who i'm close to was fine about it, until this morning i've recieved numerous text messages. Saying about tolerance and love, jesus etc. Told that i should do it for my children because she doesn't like it but she does it for them and my deceased mum etc.

So I'm nbu right? sure my children are young enough for religious things to go over my head but is it really worth enduring that?

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MySordidCakeSecret · 16/10/2015 11:15

i thought there'd be a number of people saying that family is very important and i should put my feelings aside Confused

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hairbrushbedhair · 16/10/2015 11:18

As someone also raised in a cult, there is no way I will allow my child anywhere near big gatherings of people who believe this way, or even myself anymore because the indoctrination runs so deep and I know I am vulnerable to emotional and spiritual manipulation. It's tempt

hairbrushbedhair · 16/10/2015 11:21

Crap posted too soon!

It's tempting to go back to what I knew sometimes despite some of the beliefs making me seethingly angry

So for that reason alone I would avoid. They don't see you as family anyway. Not really. The place I grew up called the church members their "true family"

Reality is they believe you'll burn in hell (if believe same as what I experienced) for not sharing their beliefs and due to that if they "love you" they will trap you back and your children by any means they can

ScarletRuby · 16/10/2015 11:23

I would send a reply to say if Christmas is all about "tolerance and non-judgement" I assume it's ok to bring my lesbian life-partner.

But I'm evil like that.

MySordidCakeSecret · 16/10/2015 11:25

So for that reason alone I would avoid. They don't see you as family anyway. Not really. The place I grew up called the church members their "true family"

Reality is they believe you'll burn in hell (if believe same as what I experienced) for not sharing their beliefs and due to that if they "love you" they will trap you back and your children by any means they can

yep same beliefs on both accounts. good point.

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TracyBarlow · 16/10/2015 11:27

That message is manipulative and vile. Please don't have anything to do with these people. If your aunt wants to tolerate these people then let her crack on. The real Christian thing to do would be to keep your children out of harm's way and to protect them from these awful people.

specialsubject · 16/10/2015 11:27

family isn't important when they are all bigoted loons. Stay well away. And keep your kids away from these revolting influences, you want to do your bit to make sure this dies out. Especially when there's an abuser involved.

'normal' Christians aren't 'streets ahead' of the rest of us BTW. Those 'christian values' of love, tolerance, understanding are actually what most decent people hold, regardless of faith.

LoveAndHate · 16/10/2015 11:28

Don't see the point of the thread, to be honest. You may as well have posted: 'My family are soft on paedophiles, AIBU to not want to visit for Christmas?'

LyndaNotLinda · 16/10/2015 11:28

But your aunt is part of the cult right? And she's emotionally blackmailing you. She's using your mum as a weapon to guilt trip you into coming. That's a really low thing to do.

Tell her to do one

squoosh · 16/10/2015 11:31

They sound creepy as fuck.

MySordidCakeSecret · 16/10/2015 11:31

'normal' Christians aren't 'streets ahead' of the rest of us BTW. Those 'christian values' of love, tolerance, understanding are actually what most decent people hold, regardless of faith.

you misunderstand. I'm an atheist, i was referring to what i point out to them when they mock c of e etc i point out well at least they have gone some way to promotung those values such as civul ceremonies and female pastors etc.

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ouryve · 16/10/2015 11:31

You're not the one who should be feeling guilty.

I'm sure you have many, more important, far more enjoyable things to do on boxing day.

MySordidCakeSecret · 16/10/2015 11:32

*sorry for awful spelling i'm holding a sleeping baby an typing with one hand Blush

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londonrach · 16/10/2015 11:33

brethren? Had friend at school who grow up in a brethren family and she wasnt allowed to play with me outside school

Yanbu. Its christian to treat each person equally. Enjoy your own christmas without this pressure and backward thinking op

millionsofpeaches · 16/10/2015 11:33

Interesting. There's a christadelphian church down the road from where I live and I've always wondered what brand of Christianity they offer. Now I know and I would say OP run for the hills! Don't let your aunt emotionally blackmail you into going. Your children will grow up with a sense of belonging- within your happy, tolerant family unit. Do you really want them to feel they belong to the people who are denying your childhood abuse? Of course not. Don't go. Please.

MaidOfStars · 16/10/2015 11:35

"Christadelphian" sounds like a comedy blasphemy word that you'd use if you dropped a hammer on your toe.

OP, I would be running for the hills.

They cared more about protecting your abuser than helping and supporting you. They are not your family.

MySordidCakeSecret · 16/10/2015 11:36

i'm not going to go peaches. You lot have given me perspective, like pp have said when you grow up in this it's very powerful.

Interesting. There's a christadelphian church down the road from where I live and I've always wondered what brand of Christianity they offer

Don't fall for their facade of quaint old ladies and buffet teas, or hip young people doing puppet shows (depends where you live) - this is the reality!

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ouryve · 16/10/2015 11:37

Wow, mega guilt tripping email!

i feel xmas is all about tolerance and non-judgement

I think the only sane response to this, given last year, is to laugh. You'd want to break things, otherwise.

Nataleejah · 16/10/2015 11:37

YANBU. I wouldn't go there. I wouldn't blame the religion, just some people can be toxic regardless faith or political views. Stay away.

squoosh · 16/10/2015 11:38

Never heard of them, sounds intriguing.

Intriguing in a 'look them up on Wikipedia' kind of way rather than 'visit them on Boxing Day' way.

SolidGoldBrass · 16/10/2015 11:40

If your family were members of a criminal organisation (TBH these demended superstitious cults, riddled with abuse and violence, probably should be treated as criminal organisations) you might well still love them but want to keep them at a distance. Treat these idiots the same. There is no need at all for you to be in the same room as someone who assaulted you, and no need to expose your children to their bullshit.

millionsofpeaches · 16/10/2015 11:41

Don't worry cake I have no interest in joining (confirmed atheist) just like to be informed nosy

Glad you've resolved not to go. Stand firm!

GruntledOne · 16/10/2015 11:45

It's all very well saying that it's about tolerance and love and doing things for the children, but there is no tolerance and love shown by people who would ostracise others for being divorced or gay, or who think it's fine to be rude and say hateful things that they know will hurt others. As for their concern for the children - no sect which genuinely cared about children would cover up child abuse in order to protect their own interests.

ouryve · 16/10/2015 11:46

And yes, family is important, but not at all costs.

My sister has married into a family which has high expectations of get togethers etc. They've not really been allowed to make their own Christmas customs. Every few years, they're expected to scrape a few thousand pounds of their limited money together for an expensive holiday, somewhere hot. No ducking out of it. It doesn't matter that she's not the religious type, the kids were christened as babies.

I'd find it suffocating, but then I'm a bit of an antisocial cow. And I'm bolshier than my DSis is.

MySordidCakeSecret · 16/10/2015 11:46

Intriguing in a 'look them up on Wikipedia' kind of way rather than 'visit them on Boxing Day' way

You'll get them very excited if they see that their hits have spiked!

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