To think that a labracockapoodle is a mongrel

[voluptuagoodshag]

So why can't folk just say so. Or would that be to justify the extortionate amount they paid for it so they don't come across as mugs.

FOR THE LAST TIME- PEDIGREE DOGS ARE DESIGNER BREEDS!!!!! How can they be described as anything else?!!

I really can't see why people get worked up over crossbreeds. A dog is a dog. Whether they're a pedigree, crossbreed or a mongrel they all give the same amount of joy to their owners.

I just don't get why the stupid names or the excessive prices. There's nothing wrong with describing your dog as a Poodle Lab mix or whatever other parentage it has, and that's generally what people are asking when they say 'what sort of dog is he/her?'.

The names are a sort of branding, used by the breeders to market them. Most pet owners surely want a nice natured healthy dog? Dogs being dogs that's what most people get, whether it's a pedigree, cross breed or mutt.

It's just such utter snobbery. Oh my dog is better than your dog, because it's called bla bla bla -doodle-cock.

It's a dog.

Its like saying a child with both parents of the same race is 'worth' more than a mixed race child.

It's bullshit. All it is is a massive great con for people who want to make money by making youthink you have something 'special'.

In some cases I can see how a dog breed might be very good at certain things, have particular talents and be healthier all round - that's lovely and something that can be celebrated and, I suppose, charged a lot for, though that makes me sad.

But breeds with like seven different parents in the mix can't really be expected to be particularly - anything. Can they? Except have a certain look, or a propensity not to drop needles, I mean fur.

Sorry, getting towards Christmas.

Perhaps my child analogy was inappropriate. I will have to think of something less controversial and emotionally charged. What mean was, dogs are still just dogs whatever their parental situation.

And I dislike them being treated as anything else, especially a status symbol of some sort. because I don't think the dog itself gives a shit what it is as long as it is happy. And therefore I dislike the people who use their dog as a status symbol.

Round here the status dogs are the huge wide growling type, which is particularly unpleasant. It always make me think of the Golden Compass and people having their 'demons' and you could judge their character by the animal that lurked alongside them.

Well I think the snobbery runs in the other direction.

When I say that my dog is half cavalier and half bichon which is mostly what I say. People roll their eyes and ive had people say to my face "it's a bloody mongrel, bet it's got one of those stupid breed names". How bloody rude!

They seem to think that their dog is better. I totally agree that dogs are dogs.

I happened to like the size of my dog, the look of my dog, the fact that usually they're a calm temperament and don't shed hair. It ticked every box that we wanted. So why would I not buy it? I already had one nasty, biting dog in the house which was attacking my husband daily. This dog was our last chance in hoping that a nice dog may influence the nasty dogs behaviour in a positive way. Which was why we needed a puppy, not an older dog.

Simon, (can I call you Simon?) I am sorry you have experienced that. Mainly I think people want to know what sort of dog a dog might be out of interest, not competitiveness, but then I don't have a dog and never have had one and so I wouldn't be being competitive.

Some people are just arseholes.

btw if you said that to me I would be satisfied and intrigued.

If however you called it a Cavabiche I'd probably stifle a laugh and make my excuses

Cavachon actually.

I agree with whothefuckissimon , I think the snobbery definitely runs in the other direction. The assumption that I'm a 'mug,' and that 'fools and their money are easily parted,' by countless pedigree owners, makes no sense to me. So I'm classed as an idiot for paying £600 for my labradoodle (mutt, mongrel, crossbreed, whatever you want to call it) but they stand there all superior and self-righteous, despite having paid £1000 for their pug, 'because he's got papers'??!

Right....totally makes sense!

Surely anything is worth what you are willing to pay for it? I purchased a derelict house next to a primary school, probably a lot of people wouldn't have even looked at it, but to me it was actually worth even more than I paid for it- perfect location, blank canvas, next to a great school, lovely garden etc- FOR ME it ticked all the right boxes, same as my dog does.

I don't understand economics, and don't pretend to but you're probably right.

As for having papers. Well this is the pointless world of oneupdogship that you have entered.

Personally health and friendliness is all that would matter to me in a dog. I like pugs; I feel sorry for them though as they rarely seem able to breathe properly.

There is always going to be someone somewhere banging on about the price of their house, car or dog, they are pretentious arseholes.

We all know that certain brands of car are expensive and we also know that certain dogs are expensive. I think that's why these names get dropped into conversations, as it's another way of showing off by the middle classes.

I have a cockapoo/poodle cross. He's more poodle than anything. I paid what I considered yo be a reasonable amount. I chose him because I liked his playfulness and how he looks. He's currently asleep on my bed with all four paws in the air and snoring. Couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks about him.

Hoplikeabunny If you can't find a rescue dog that meets your needs, then a real dog lover would just not have a dog rather than keeping breeders in business.- That is absolute rubbish! You could apply that to anything! You could argue that someone who really loves children wouldn't have their own, as there are so many who need adopting around the world. I can guarantee that I absolutely do love dogs, you do not know me, and you cannot prove otherwise. I have known plenty of vets and veterinary nurses over the years, and most of them have had puppies from breeders, can you honestly tell me that someone who dedicates their career to helping animals doesn't like dogs?! Right....

I think a valid point can be made that people who love children, unlike the majority who love just their own children and other children they have a relationship with, would indeed look to adopting from children who already exist, rather than creating new ones.

Having children is a selfish act which isn't done because people love children. Having some concern for, and liking to interact with, children or dogs does not constitute love. True love involves sacrifice, it's not about what you want first and foremost. I'm sure your vets and veterinary nurses do like dogs but if they go for puppies that's their selfish human nature showing through and it does not demonstrate love.

(I'm at least as selfish as the next person, but I don't think as highly of myself as other people like to think of themselves.)

I completely agree with you,charleston

"It's just such utter snobbery. Oh my dog is better than your dog, because it's called bla bla bla -doodle-cock."

"it's another way of showing off by the middle classes."

Seriously? What sort of people do you know?

I have met dozens and dozens of cross-breed owners in my time and not one of them has ever demonstrated any sort of attitude about them at all, beyond "aren't they lovely-natured?"

Ditto clam

Cross breeding for certain qualities is a good idea,and how many of our modern pedigrees were created. It also goes on in agriculture where you get cross breeds all the time.

Of course cross breeding can go wrong and you might end up with the worst traits of both animals. But breeding a dog that fits in with modern life better is a good idea. How often do you see people buying a working dog and just can't cope with it. This breeding has to take health and welfare of the dog as a priority though, not profit or fashion.

I have a poodle shih tzu cross, people generally mistake him for a shih tzu, I tend to call him a cross. We paid a fair amount for him, we knew the people who bred him and the dog and bitch were both healthy and tested and had lovely temperaments.
As a tiny puppy they took care to expose him to as many situations as possible and as a result he is pretty bomb proof. I like to think that what we paid covered getting a dog from healthy parents that was well cared for as a puppy in a family home and they have always been on the end of the phone for support or advice if needed.
Interesting about poodles being good guard dogs as Eric is only nine inches high but he guards our house and garden as well as any dog four times his size.

Fundamentally the problem is that breeding in the UK is out of control so that dogs are being put down every day because there aren't enough homes and yet individuals keep breeding more because there is money in it.

This is a little different to the children analogy (which I agree doesn't really work) because children who are taken into care may not have the best outcomes without loving parents, but they aren't euthanised. Oh and no one is 'breeding' large numbers of children in poor conditions, and then dumping the parents either.

To me the concern comes with cross breeds because the families that buy them might otherwise perhaps get a rescue instead (although I suppose they might get a pedigree) paying the usual rescue donation instead of the $$ for a cross, and taking much of the backyard breeder/puppy farm market away.

I don't think that breeding dogs for the ring is a good thing either (working dogs being quite different) as it's led to dogs with all sorts of issues. I don't believe that many of those breeders are primarily interested in their dog's well being, rather the prestige and money that comes with being at the top.

However I don't think the blame should go to loving dog owners, rather to unscrupulous breeders. I do wonder why as a 'nation of dog lovers' the UK government doesn't do more to control the breeders.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT PEOPLE CALL THEIR DOGS!

It makes zero difference to how great your dog is if I call a dog by the generally accepted name, labradoodle. Literally no difference.

Well, if we're shouting about it, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. Of course it doesn't matter what you say when people ask 'what kind of dog do you have?' I don't care if you refer to your dog as a cavapoodle or an extra-terrestrial, ffs.

This creative naming and advertising of cross-breeds only matters because it's creating a demand for puppies with that 'branding'. Which is bloody criminal when ther are perfectly good dogs with the same attributes (non-shedding, blah blah) who are getting put down every day.

They're living creatures, it's completely fucked-up to produce and market them as if they're new versions of an iPhone.

And I agree that the 'nation of dog-lovers' thing is bs. Same as here in Australia. If we profess to love dogs as a species, as opposed to 'loving owning a dog', we should make dog breeding and registration way more tightly regulated.

All dogs have been deliberately bred and cross bred to create new breeds.

These guys are just the younger breeds.

But if I wanted a mudblood I'd get a dog from the shelter.

It's interesting talking to people about their dogs and the breeds etc. It's not necessary about being snobby or actually thinking one is better than another. I just find it fascinating how different they all are and dot find it at all strange that people enjoy particular breeds.