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Original poster

to think that Cameron is having a laugh

102 replies

Donotknowhownottomind · 08/10/2015 07:55

with his talk of wanting a fairer more equal society??

So that's why thousands of people are going to be thrown into poverty come April, disabled people have been disadvantaged by the welfare cuts, the bedroom tax has dislocated loads of people, millions are priced out of the property market, food bank usage is at an all time high and the "living wage" is a bare faced lie Angry!

Also where was the detail in his conference speech as to how he is going to achieve this equal society?

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ghostyslovesheep · 08/10/2015 09:16

oh and I am more than happy to support others - because I am not stupid enough to think everyone can work for starters

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/10/2015 09:17

Lets be blunt, the Tories would like nothing more than to be able to get rid of welfare spending, and if your honest with yourself so would you. I don't want to pay to support others, I want them to be able to earn enough in their own right without having to rely on the state for houndouts.

Er no, I don't think that actually. It is a governments responsibility to look after it citizens - all of them. It is utterly shameful that as one of the richest countries in the world we have foodbanks.

SchnooSchnoo · 08/10/2015 09:17

Our government are really beginning to show their true colours. They have not an ounce of integrity and will literally say anything if they think it will win votes. And no, I don't think they believe their own rhetoric. They are counting on the electorate being as thick as mince!

Hopefully they will carry on being despicable twats until anyone with half a brain and an ounce of humanity wants them gone.

TheFairyCaravan · 08/10/2015 09:26

We're a family of four. We consist of DH, he's in the RAF, not supported. DS1, a soldier, not supported, DS2 a student nurse, won't be supported. Then there's me, I'm disabled and can't work, no way on this earth am I supported by this vile government.

Reading comments like I don't want to pay to support others, I want them to be able to earn enough in their own right without having to rely on the state for houndouts. makes me feel sick and they chip away at my already low self esteem.

When I worked I had no problem with paying for people who were less fortunate than me. Not everyone is going to be a high earner, that's not their fault. Why don't people realise that every single one of them, their loved ones and their children is an accident or illness away from being disabled. You never know when you might need some "handouts"! Angry

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Donotknowhownottomind · 08/10/2015 09:28

Electoral reform is what we really need - even if that does mean more UKIP MPs which is not great either but I think it would galvanise the parties in power to do something about the downward spiral of already low wages.

It is only FPTP which is keeping them where they are so they should wipe the smug grins off their faces Angry.

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Gottagetmoving · 08/10/2015 09:32

He probably does want an equal society (in theory) as did Blair and Brown, yet the wealth gap grew under them too. Lets be blunt, the Tories would like nothing more than to be able to get rid of welfare spending, and if your honest with yourself so would you. I don't want to pay to support others, I want them to be able to earn enough in their own right without having to rely on the state for houndouts

Tories don't want an equal society - they never have.
I am happy to pay to support others who need it. The Tories are taking support from people who NEED it! including those who work and are on low low wages.

LovelyLovelyDay · 08/10/2015 09:39

God, not this load of shite again.

MissMarpleCat · 08/10/2015 09:40

The tories are mendacious Sad

Lottapianos · 08/10/2015 09:47

'Er no, I don't think that actually. It is a governments responsibility to look after it citizens - all of them.'

I agree completely. I think that wages should be much higher so that work actually pays, and working tax credits are not needed. I am more than happy to pay taxes to help fellow citizens who need support, or have fallen on hard times for whatever reason. Yes, ideally all people would support themselves without relying on the state, but life is just not that kind for everyone.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/10/2015 10:56

PR would just have meant a Tory-UKIP government.

Rows and rows of Tory delegates who looked totally bewildered when Cameron said they were all concerned about racism and hardship.
Poor buggers: they're normally very busy causing both !

cleaty · 08/10/2015 12:31

I didn't know they were getting rid of Access to Work. i work for a very small company that is brilliant at employing disabled people. The Access to Work scheme has paid for equipment and given people advice, so that they can work for us, and stay in work. Some had been unemployed for years before working for us, and have moved on elsewhere to better jobs. This would be a very shortsighted cut.

Lottapianos · 08/10/2015 12:45

'This would be a very shortsighted cut'

Like pretty much all of them, then?

juneau · 08/10/2015 13:02

The govt should take care of those who cannot take care of themselves, but most people are perfectly able to do this, if wages are high enough. Under the last Labour govt there was a shift to many more people being reliant on state benefits to get by. If more people can earn a higher wage then they can be moved away from losing tax through their pay packet only to get it back in the form of tax credits. The public sector pay freeze is a scandal though. How are people who work in the public sector to make up that income shortfall, made worse by inflation, unless they leave the public sector?

Gottagetmoving · 08/10/2015 13:37

Public sector wages always make the news. I have worked for private companies for years and I have had one pay rise in 15 years - 53p an hour no less!
In that time - all my bills have increased but my income has not.

Want2bSupermum · 08/10/2015 13:49

I'm not impressed with what is going on in the UK. We have a very broken system and MPs who have made politics their career. Quite frankly I find both labour and Tory leaders to be odious. Neither have the interests of the majority in mind.

I say this though coming from the U.S. where we have Trump who continues to do well because everyone is so fed up with the politicians we have. Obama is lauded outside of the U.S. but quite frankly he is another career politician who isn't acting in the interests of the majority. As much as the idea of President Trump scares me I think it's just as scary to have President Hilary Clinton or President Jeb Bush.

I think the door is wide open in the UK for a revolution. The UKIP were successfully squashed but there are a sizable number of people who are fed up with the status quo. It will be interesting to see who they vote for.

Want2bSupermum · 08/10/2015 13:51

Oh and public sector wages have been much higher than private sector wages in the north for the past decade. What most people forget is that the salary package for public sector workers includes a pension while private sector employees rarely get a pension.

LagunaBubbles · 08/10/2015 13:54

Yes I'm going to get the "I'm alright jack" thrown at us but its going to really help my family

Great for you, just the type the Tories attract and want voting for them. Hope you or your family never get sick, unable to work etc. Might not be quite so great then......

LagunaBubbles · 08/10/2015 13:55

What most people forget is that the salary package for public sector workers includes a pension while private sector employees rarely get a pension

Im in the public sector and I cant afford the £250 a month I would need to pay into the NHS pension. So I dont have one.

cleaty · 08/10/2015 14:09

Everyone will be entitled to a pension under the new pension rules. So that will no longer be true.

Want2bSupermum · 08/10/2015 14:21

laguna I would be doing everything I could to make the contribution. The NHS pension is amazing compared to what else is out there. I'm in the Us and you find your own pension. Federal and state employees have a horrible pension scheme these days but they have other benefits which more than make up for the lower income.

I do know that salaries in the south are out of kilter so it's easy to say government workers are underpaid. If you go up north it's been the reverse for a very very long time. If we returned to the UK and we're living up north I would be hankering after a government job rather than working for a private company. Salaries are higher and the benefits are far superior.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 08/10/2015 14:23

the tears yesterday

now they were funny

Gottagetmoving · 08/10/2015 14:43

I get really annoyed that Nurses and other public sector workers are not getting proper pay rises and most people feel the same and support their fight for better pay rises, however, it does annoy me that people like me get NO payrises and I work as hard as anyone else. There is no one to fight for or support me and now the Unions are going to be prevented from helping people like me too.

Masterpiece1 · 08/10/2015 15:44

If Labour had'nt fucked the country over, the Tories wouldn't have to clean everything up.

I blame Labour.

MrsCorbyn · 08/10/2015 15:44

The problem with the spare room subsidy is that it didn't take adequate notice of carers and forces.

Otherwise I agree in principle; if you're lucky enough to have taxpayers funding your living arrangements you should not also be able to live exactly where you choose.

MrsCorbyn · 08/10/2015 15:47

And I agree with master piece. Labour are to blame for privatisation, foreign wars, the bailouts, PFI and austerity. I say that as an NHS worker from a former Northern mining town