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To be surprised the lady that stabbed the paedophile got 3 and a half years?

183 replies

m1nniedriver · 29/09/2015 17:51

Just that really. I thought she would get longer. The world is a better place without him but still .... She murdered him.

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BoldFox · 29/09/2015 19:14

I would do a day of her sentence for her if i could.
poor woman

FattyNinjaOwl · 29/09/2015 19:15

Good on her. Less scum on the streets. I'd do the same if some sick fuck hurr my kids. (Which presumably she thought there was a chance that had happened)

Pantone363 · 29/09/2015 19:22

I read that she went round to plead with him to admit what he had done so the children wouldn't have to go to trial. He smirked at her and said he'd done nothing wrong, the boys were liars and they had ruined his life.

I think any of us would be hard pressed to keep control under those circumstances. Especially if the mitigating circumstances alluded to above are correct.

Andrewofgg · 29/09/2015 19:22

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs She took the knife to threaten him into pleading guilty, not to kill him - but she took the knife. And used it. And it's always more serious to kill someone whom is keeping you out of their home and so it ought to be.

All the dbs in the world would not show him up because his convictions were before 1977 and in any event he was not working and did not need dbs; so I am not sure what point you are making about that.

We shall see whether it gets referred as unduly lenient or not. But I am very certain she won't appeal it!

littleducks · 29/09/2015 19:25

The radio report said he was working as a council steward and volunteering with children's groups. I thought he would have been dbs checked for that but send he was clever enough to work around the system.

Thinking about it he really shouldn't have been bailed to his home address

Andrewofgg · 29/09/2015 19:30

Sorry littleducks I did not see the bit about stewarding and children's groups. But he may well have been dbs checked and come back clean - not convicted and no complaints since 1997.

RomComPhooey · 29/09/2015 19:33

I was only half listening to radio4, but I think they said he was living under an assumed name as well as having historic convictions which would not have shown up on DBS.

hackmum · 29/09/2015 19:54

Booyaka: 'It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why her sentence was so short. The identity of the children involved is heavily protected in these cases and the reason for her mitigation is a secret. Just think about it."

Yes, that was exactly my thought. And, as you say, they can't reveal this on the news because the identity of children who are victims has to be protected. But I think it's reasonable to assume that a woman doesn't go to a man's house and stab him to death simply because she's discovered he's a paedophile.

Thisismyfirsttime · 29/09/2015 20:06

Also the judge made it very clear in her summing up that there were circumstances which led to the woman being convicted of manslaughter and not murder and that vigilante justice will NOT be treated in the same way. Although not that the 'vigilante' types who usually come to attention will take any notice since they often seem to think oddball= Paedophile. Her comments did seem to imply that there were factors we won't be privvy to involved though.

badgergirl82 · 29/09/2015 20:25

I find this very concerning, to be honest.

I think we're on shaky ground if we start claiming one life is worth less, somehow, than another.

MrsTedCrilly · 29/09/2015 20:32

Of course a child abusers life is worth less Confused The amount of lives he has ruined forever reduces his/her own.

RickRoll · 29/09/2015 20:37

I would have found her not guilty, had I been on the jury.

Did the world a BIG favour.

badgergirl82 · 29/09/2015 20:37

Your post makes me very uncomfortable MrsTed.

I don't doubt that some share that view, but in the eyes of the law, I for one wouldn't want people's lives to be reduced to essentially what amounts to someone's opinion. I have strong views of my own about certain individuals and I wouldn't shed any tears over their demise but that doesn't mean anyone can kill them and expect to be let out of jail within a matter of months.

Branleuse · 29/09/2015 21:14

well it would have done a lot of people a favour if jimmy saville had been bumped off a lot earlier. This woman may well have saved countless more victims

Palomb · 29/09/2015 21:16

I share your view MrsTed. His life was worth fuck all, worth less than a flea.

It's a shame more sex attackers, burglars and their scummy like aren't killed like this.

Ta1kinPeace · 29/09/2015 21:17

He was never unsupervised with children so did not come under DBS

BUT
DBS is barely worth the paper its written on as it only shows up criminal convictions, not actions pending conviction.
This person will have been CRB and DBS checked multiple times - to no avail
www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/13789482.Paedophile_teacher_confesses_to_vile_acts_of_abuse/

LieselVonTwat · 29/09/2015 21:22

She had to be sent down, we can't have vigilante justice and it would set a terrible precedent otherwise. Nonetheless, if she ever crosses my path I shall buy her a drink.

BastardGoDarkly · 29/09/2015 21:27

If half of the judges weren't peadophiles/sympathisers the sentences for sex crimes against children would be much much stronger.

We can't have all and sundry stabbing peadophiles, obviously, but I'd also buy her a drink if I met her.

And if someone abused my son, I'd do that time in a heartbeat.

HermioneWeasley · 29/09/2015 21:27

I agree with MrsTed - I don't get the whole sanctity of human life thing. People die in their thousands every day. They die from preventable disease, from hunger from lack of clean drinking water, they drown fleeing insane religious fantatics.

I am quite comfortable with my opinion that the lives of people who cause suffering aren't sacred. This includes paedophiles, rapists, religious fantatics and terrorists. The world is better off without them. More clean drinking water for everyone else.

InimitableJeeves · 29/09/2015 21:30

I wondered about the judge's reference to her children being in Dickensian conditions. I know children's homes aren't exactly holiday camps (if that's where they are) but - Dickensian? Really? That would entail them being in workhouse conditions, eating nothing but gruel, being cold, beaten and starved. I wondered if this was a case of the defence barrister getting somewhat carried away and the judge being over-credulous.

Booyaka · 29/09/2015 21:31

I don't think the judge was saying that his life was worth less than somebody else's. I think what she was saying was that sometimes someone's behaviour is so provoking that their attackers actions are more understandable. It's not a new way of thinking, women who attack abusive partners are often treated in the same way.

I also thinks she differs from vigilantes in general in one important way. The judge said that she was no danger to anyone else. She isn't somebody who advocates going out stabbing paedophiles in general. It was this one specific person who'd done specific things which provoked her and put her in a highly pressured emotional state.

Besides, I think one person who really needs to be answering questions is the judge who refused requests from the police and returned him to live amongst his victims. I think that may very well have been the straw that broke the camels back and was a bad decision for all involved.

Ta1kinPeace · 29/09/2015 21:34

Jeeves
How well do you know Silvertown?
DH worked there a while back and found it quite astounding - not in a good way.

The lady has 5 young kids.
She discovered that her neighbour had convictions for assaulting young kids
and had a flat that overlooked
(a) the school playground
(b) the after school play area
(c) the entrance to all their flats

I do not think that any more complex mitigation is needed

Booyaka · 29/09/2015 21:35

Inimitable, I would suspect what that means is that they are living in very overcrowded conditions. I doubt they will be in children's homes, it's much more likely that they will be with fathers, grandparents, aunts and uncles or even friends. From what we know about the families socio-economic background coupled with the fact they live in London these are unlikely to be people who have enough spare room at home to house 5 children comfortably at short notice.

Senpai · 29/09/2015 21:35

Yes, people that abuse children are scum and I have no sympathy for the man who was put down the like the animal he was. But we can't let people subjectively decide who is worthy of being killed, and who isn't. The law has to be unbiased and fair to everyone that goes through the system, a single person can't decide that.

She showed up at his door with a weapon, with the intent to threaten and use it for intimidation. I'm not comfortable with anyone with so little self control walking the streets. The only reason it's ok is because of who she killed. Next time she loses control of her anger like that it could be something more tragic.

It would be one thing if one of her children was a victim, but it never states that. Even if they were, now not only have they lost a part of their childhood being carefree, they've also lost their mother.

That said, if it were my child, I can't confidently say the bastard would even make it to trial.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 29/09/2015 21:37

I don't understand how he worked as a council steward and volunteered with kids. What happened to DBS checks?

DBS checks are a sop to nervous people and procedure.

They're not worth the paper they're written on because they're only a record of crimes that someone has been caught for.

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