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To have confronted these boys?

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I8toys · 26/09/2015 13:26

Where to begin. My son is in year 8 and the start to this school year has been rough.

History - My son is a sensitive, a little hot headed (no idea where he gets it from) but is generally well liked by adults and peers. Had problems with one boy all through primary with name calling etc - I use the term bullying lightly. This boy was also complained about at primary by other parents. So was well known to be a trouble maker. Unfortunately at high school this same boy was in most classes with my son. I just told my son to be friends with him even though no-one else wanted to know him.

He started playing tricks on my son to try and get him into trouble - saying the teacher wants you when he didn't etc. Just told him to ignore it. They started hanging around with another boy and they would come to our house to play xbox and go to the others. I admit my son gets heated when playing games and can be a bad loser but the other two would wind him up and he would end up leaving.

Now yr 8 they have changed form and are no longer in most classes together. That's okay and I appreciate that as they get older they find people with similar interests and drift apart. But my son stuck up for someone this boy and others were excluding recently. They all then turned on my son. My husband is a teacher and says that this type of behavior from boys is unusual in that this is the type of behavior girls usually use. He went to speak to school- not to name names but just to ask if a PSHE lesson could be held on bullying and exclusion.

I noticed a change in his behavior - he was snappy, irritated and missing lunch at school. He started going to school later and dragging his feet to get there. He told me they had been excluding him from the group, name calling, ignoring him. I said it would settle down and to ignore them.

However they keep waiting for him in a group in the alleyway on the route to school. They don't need to as they can walk a more direct route but they do this to antagonize him and they pull away all the kids my son is walking with so he is on his own.

I followed him without his knowledge on Friday. Saw them in a group of 4 waiting at the top of the hill. They were name calling and making chicken noises and started to run away when they saw him. Well that was it I saw red and shouted at them. I was angry and I was about 6ft away.

I asked them what they were waiting for. The one that we have had the problems was is the mouthpiece - the others couldn't look me in the eye. Waiting for such and such. I said rubbish. You are picking on my son - leave him alone. They then mentioned a text which my son had sent them that included swear words when he had left their house one time after they had been playing xbox. They were threatening to show me it and I said I'd seen it and the only reason he said those words were because 2 of you were picking on him.

It sounds so stupid written down but I cried this week over it and its something I never do. I know they need to sort it out amongst themselves but it never ends - they are always falling out and arguing. My son doesn't go out anymore because when they do someone is always excluded. I think I did it to bring an end to their friendship and get my son to move on. Flame away if you are still reading this.

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diddl · 26/09/2015 14:41

I don't quite know what you mean by them pulling away other kids so that your son is alone.

Physically drag them away or are they happy to leave him?

I8toys · 26/09/2015 14:44

I think again they wait again until he is walking down the alleyway from school with friends and then call these people over to talk purposefully excluding my son. It sounds daft I know.

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diddl · 26/09/2015 14:57

Well it does sound daft tbh & if these "friends" are happy to leave him then they don't really sound like friends at all!

I8toys · 26/09/2015 15:04

Yes I agree. I am trying (and failing) to step back and let him get his own spine to face these things.

I think it stems from me being bullied at school. I don't want him to have the same but I think its something they need to experience unfortunately.

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Chottie · 26/09/2015 15:09

I think it stems from me being bullied at school. I don't want him to have the same but I think its something they need to experience unfortunately.

I can't disagree with you more on this point, I don't think anyone 'needs to experience' bullying. It is not character building or any of the other tosh which is trotted out.

I would ask you - how many more years, do you this bullying should continue?

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 26/09/2015 15:17

I have two teenage sons. A similar thing happened with DS2, in that there was particular boy at primary school who spent a fair amount of time trying to get the other boys in to trouble. He, in general, wasn't a particularly nice character - and that's not something I'd usually be willing to say about a child. Primary school staff were however fairly good at working out what was going on & DS2 didn't come to any real 'harm' because of it.

At secondary school, when the form groups were announced, DS2 had been put in a form with this boy, one other boy from his primary school he had never got along with and a couple of the girls from primary school he had rarely even spoken to. All of his friends were in different forms. I'm afraid I complained and asked for DS2 to be moved in to a form with at least one friend, which he was. I must admit had the "problem" child from primary school not been there I probably would have encouraged DS to try to make friends with the rest of the class before asking for him to be moved.

I would never have encouraged him to be friends with a bully. But maybe that's my problem.

I8toys · 26/09/2015 15:18

I know Chottie - I worded it badly.

I want him to be able to stand up for himself. I am scared that he can't that's why I intervened. I know I am not giving him credit to be able to handle it himself and I need to.

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I8toys · 26/09/2015 15:20

Santas - I never even thought I could do that. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. I know its stupid but he's a child and my son was his only friend. God this stuff is hard.

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diddl · 26/09/2015 15:22

Well he's only 12(?) so he more than likely needs some guidance on what to do in future re the others being called away-and leaving him!

I8toys · 26/09/2015 15:24

Yes Diddl he does - we have discussed strategies for him to deal with it. Don't swear or lose your temper. Just be polite but don't get involved or drawn into any drama. Sit with other people that sort of thing.

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Spartans · 26/09/2015 15:28

Your dh is a teacher and never suggested moving forms?

Maybe they cant change at his school?

Sounds like he is basing his opinion on his own school, not your sons.

You really should go in, rather than see how it plays out. You have been watching it play out for years and it's never resolved itself.

I8toys · 26/09/2015 15:31

The thing is with it - it flares up and settles down, flares up - repeat for years.

At the time of starting school - it was reasonably calm and his mum was desperate for him to stick to my son.

I know its taken some time but I am really done and I think my son is too. My concern is that it settles down again and it goes back to how it was.

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Spartans · 26/09/2015 15:51

So the past shows that it seems to be ok for a while then flares up again. So even if this week or month is ok, it's going to happen again.

So do something. Standing and shouting at kids in the street isn't ideal. At some point you actually need to deal with this. Not really sure why you won't.

Your husbands advice, quite honestly, stinks. Going in asking for lessons in bullying (but not dealing with the actual issue) is ridiculous given the situation, not going into to school is ridiculous.

I really think the school is going to take a dim view of a parent standing shouting at kids in the street when they have not approached the school.

I8toys · 26/09/2015 16:03

We have been to school and mentioned it this week without making an official complaint but my husbands feeling when he went was that they have a poor approach to bullying. He asked for the school to do a PSHE lesson specifically on exclusion but they go through a cycle so couldn't do it. The pastoral guidance manager said he would ask form tutors to talk to pupils in form time. If this has been done I have no idea.

I agree its not the best idea to scream and shout but I just felt helpless.

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I8toys · 26/09/2015 16:11

I think the reason I did it was because I have known these children since they were 4 and just wanted to try and sort it myself. They have been around my house most weeks and on trips with us. Its not as if they are strangers to me. Maybe screwed up thinking on my part.

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Spartans · 26/09/2015 16:12

I know you did. That's why I won't judge you on shouting.

I know exactly how you feel. Dds bully only stopped when we called the police when they were 11. He was cautioned and had to work with the youth offending team doing a course. He still bullies, but their secondary school is so big she doesn't see him much.

Not suggesting you need to go down the route, but when he rammed his elbow in dds face, braking her nose and the school still didn't think it was that bad, we were left with no choice. The police spoke to us all together and basically told the school he was disgusted they hadn't done anything before. As did their own Union rep.

Schools are great at dealing with it. But you at least need to give them a chance by naming names.

Spartans · 26/09/2015 16:14

Oh also I have passed this boy in the school playground and absolutely wanted to scream at him. I managed to remove myself before I did and he wasn't actually doing anything to dd at that moment. I can't say I wouldn't have done the same as you, seeing the same thing. All the while knowing I shouldnt

I8toys · 26/09/2015 16:14

Wow Spartan that's horrible sorry that happened. Thank you for your advice.

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Spartans · 26/09/2015 16:28

Oh and to top it off she left one school in year five to get away from him (the school were crap and he was too young to involved police), she went to another school and settled well. 6 months later he was removed from the first school and placed in dds new school. Which is where they were when the police got involved.

So trust me I do know.

The problem is that if you only start naming and talking about actual instances of bullying now the school will take a while to actually take action. Before that there will be 'we will speak to the boy' then 'we will sit them both down together' etc before anything is actually done. It's best reporting as soon as possible and also ensure everything is noted Dow. Ask for a copy on headed paper. We found out the schools weren't keeping any documentation at one point. Now we ask for copies of everything.

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 26/09/2015 16:32

Big mistake encoraging him to make friends with bullies. So you shouted at them, big deal, someone needs to. If this boy is maliputive, im not surprised his mom doesn`t see what you see. They are very clever at being mr nice guy!! Your husbands approach is shit, and he should be ashamed of himself, but unfortuately a typical teacher responce!! There is no training for teachers on this...

I8toys · 26/09/2015 16:34

So sorry for your dd. I cannot imagine your anger and frustration.

We will write a letter to school explaining everything on Monday and see what happens after that. We are happy to sit down and talk about it and I will accept the part my child has to play in it - I have no illusions about that.

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I8toys · 26/09/2015 16:36

I did confront my husband and he said that's what happens at their school. They also have a school mediation group where the kids get the kids together to talk about stuff. Sounds like a cop out to me!

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Spartans · 26/09/2015 16:39

Thank you OP. It was shit, utterly shit. However she is fine now and never has to see him anymore. Luckily there doesn't seem to have been any permanent damage.

Her confidence was shattered by it, so she started kick boxing and it's really given her, confidence back. You wouldn't even know it happened now.

I really hope you get this sorted, I know how much it impacts on the whole family.

And yes, always be prepared to hear something you didn't like about your own child. It didn't happen in our case but I always prepared myself for that as you just never know. Kids can be unpredictable.

amarmai · 26/09/2015 18:01

op what a lovely son you have . He stood up for another boy and then they turned on him. I 've been where you are and have tried speaking to parents - they got mad , denied it and the bullying got worse. But we do not realise that until it happens. Same with shouting at the bullies- you tried and it didn't work. Don't blame yourself for trying . What to try next is the question. The school has a bullying policy that applies outside the school within certain parameters. Is there a Community Police Officer who can advise/help ? Can you get allies e.g. the parent who was apologetic . If her son and your son can stand together against the bully , it would be an enormous help. Likely the son of the nice parent needs to encouraged not to join the bully-strength in numbers. The teacher parent is on shaky ground not dealing with bullying , as her husband. Can they be reported or a threat of that to their own schools? or to an education authority or to a professional organisation? Bullying led to tragedy for 1 of my sons , so don't give up .

I8toys · 26/09/2015 18:23

Thanks amarmai. My son told me he remembered me saying to him never leave anyone out as that could be you one day!! And funnily enough it was!

The other parent has contacted me and her son and mine are talking on Monday. So hopefully that will be okay. I apologized for shouting at her son but she understood why I did it.

Hopefully they can move on and just be polite and be in each others space without resentment.

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