To dislike "Radical Feminism"

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I've got nothing against feminists that fight for womens rights and genuinely want the best the best for everyone and don't hate anyone, but "RadFems" tend to be full of bitterness and hatred. And I'm not just talking about kids, these are high profile, intelligent women with power and influence. Do you think it's unreasonable to dislike something where most people think men are inherantly evil and to be feared? Or do you think their hatred is fair and we should respect them for their good work in trying to make humans hate eath other even more?

Like, I said, I have nothing against Feminism, it's done a lot of great work down the years and still does, but "Rad Fem" and "Feminism" are too completly different things in my opinion. Is this a wrong conclusion?

AIBU?

Flora, what was the UN legislation she was responding to? Do you have a link?

Many radical feminists use he, because they see speaking the truth as important.

Flora you missed out this part of my comment:

"She is absolutely vile to trans people, always misgenders them and outs and mocks people who have never previously interacted with her in any way"

How is that helpful to trans people?

Ego I have reported when I think someone is being cruel, but I don't always say I have - I thought it would make it worse.

If you like, I can say out loud here:
Cote I think you are often unkind to Ego and I report when I think you go over the line of normal debate.

Wrt misgendering, where do you begin to define it? Refusing to call a 15 year old on Tumblr who requests 'fawnself' pronouns? Talking about Bruce Jenner's 60 something years as a man? Are we supposed to say 'she won the Decathlon'? (Despite women not being allowed to take part.)

I don't think I've ever seen a radical feminist on here publicly criticise another one for misgendering or call them out on it. Maybe they've reported it.

I was criticised on a thread where someone had started a thread about Milly Cyrus ' friend Tyler Ford on the assumption Tyler was an effeminate but born male who had not transitioned whereas Tyler is a transman. The thread made no sense without that information. Tyler's own website had all the information including his "dead name" which I linked to and mentioned. I should not have mentioned the name but as Tyler himself did and the thread literally made no sense it didn't seem the crime of the century.

I'm not convinced of the good intentions of the poster who reported me as she then went on to agree in the same thread that objecting to "dead naming" is just drama queen behaviour.

almond

radicalhubarchives.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/gender-identity-legislation-and-the-erosion-of-sex-based-legal-protections-for-females/

Deciding to call a male person "she" or a "woman" is a personal decision. For some women it is a political decision as it is consistent with their beliefs that being female is a biological sex category. In particular, transactivsts don't seem to permit any line to be drawn in the degree to which one is now obliged to deny that "female" is a biological sex categorisation.

Sorry to be absolutely clear it was not me in that thread who said objecting to dead - naming is drama queen behaviour.

If this is a recruitment drive for the RadFem Language Police I will politely decline.

Sounds a lot like you telling me what I may or may not mention. The topic of the thread is "radical feminism and why one might dislike it" During the course of the thread a poster whom you all disagree with brought religion in to it. You may not like her motives or the way she did it but to say that then precludes any discussion of where radical feminism stands on religion is very high handed.

Don't be bloody disingenuous. If you'd bothered to read past the original derail you'd have seen what was said to the GF who posted it. If you want to continue talking about something a goady troll decided was a better thing to talk about than the subject at hand because they were starting to look like an utter idiot, knock your fine self out, go ahead and look like a fool, but don't try and pretend that it was me being mean to you. It's not like you don't have form for calling me something along the lines of thread police when I say something you don't like, is it?

Play the ball for a change, not the man.

Apologies for the derail to everyone else on the thread, Lass seems to be unable to debate points with me and it's a bit wearing now; so I tend call her out on it every time. I'll leave her to it now, it seems to make her happy. Shame, it's been an interesting discussion on the whole.

I'm a radfem and I think that Cathy Brennan can be a bit of dick sometimes. I also think that you are confusing Gender Trender with Brennan's pretendbians site. To get 'outed' on Gender Trender you either have to be a danger to women or be making ridiculous demands on women.

However, on the subject of Cathy Brennan.... does anyone within the trans community call out the person who doxxed her, told lies about her to her employers, the state bar and used their employer's computer systems to do all that? The person who has now detransitioned, just by the bye.

No, thought not.

CB is a difficult person, she says some things that make my toes curl, but she isn't the witch she's made out to be by a long stretch.

And lots of gender critical feminists think she's a bit of a dick.

Perhaps if someone wants to discuss feminism and religion in good faith, a thread on why people dislike radical feminism isn't the best place to have it. Introducing the topic with accusations of hypocrisy is perhaps not ideal either.

Flora, Pontipines said:

"She's also advocated against a UN policy that aims to protect trans people from discrimination."

I don't see any mention in the link of a UN policy about trans people. As far as I understand it, Brennan was advocating for maintaining UN policies that protect women's human rights, as defined as a sex. The trans related policies that violate women's human's rights were those of various US states, not those of the UN.

I don't know of any UN policies about trans people that violate women's human rights, nor that Brennan has advocated against a United Nations Policy.

If there is such a policy, or Brennan has done that, I'd like to know! It would be a really big deal if UN policy on women had been over turned.

As far as I know, most UN policy has gender non conforming people as its focus, which is inclusive of women who don't conform to gender roles like Brennan, as well as trans people as gender non conforming. I know there are some policies specific to trans people, but I don't think they take rights away from women and girls in the way some US states have.