I'm only halfway through the thread but someone mentioned that there are adults who make liars out of children, and it reminded me of a recent incident that would have played out very differently had it been me as a child.
Family bbq, invited few of DDs school chums as well as some extended family. My cousin and his wife, B had come over on their bikes. They'd left them parked up near the fence. DD and her friends had congregated in the area to chat. I'd noticed them there and they were all behaving so left them to it. They're all very polite, well mannered children.
The wife came up to me all a-fluster "She (DD) has just called DH, an fat arse!!"
Well I flew to DD, ready to bollock her. DD, seeing me approach, gave me a big content grin and said "this is great mum!" So hardly the actions of a guilty 11 yo. I quizzed her on what had just happened (without telling her the accusation) and she told me, surrounded by her unfazed friends, that my cousin had come up to them and told them to stay away from the bikes. DD had said they were just sitting chatting and that her bum wouldn't fit on the bike anyway as her bum wasn't as big as his (standard level of jokey banter in our family) to which he had laughed, called her cheeky and eventually walked back to his wife.
This transaction was witnessed by 2 adults, stood to the side (one being my dad) who verified that DD hadn't swore and the exchange was very jovial.
The next day I got a text from the wife "hope she wasn't too upset being told off but they really pushed it with DH"
I again asked DD to tell me the truth, had she swore at the cousin. DD promised, tearfully that she hadn't.
So I replied "I'm sorry that your DH misheard my DD, but she didn't swear and she's not a liar, so she hasn't been told off for something she didn't do"
No reply.
I'm seething about it. What drove a man of 33 years to lie to his wife about an 11 year old girl.
Had this happened when I was a child, I wouldn't have been questioned, I wouldn't have been allowed to give my version of events, I'd have been assumed guilty and chastised accordingly - adults don't lie after all.