to think that the Blairs are a force for evil in this world

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Well?

I was just wondering why Jeremy Clarkson would be commenting on the Blairs when I remembered there is another Jeremy C nowadays.

I'm not sure I'd go as far as force for evil, but I don't think I'd be mates with them. Or hold them up as role models. There's plenty of greedy, selfish folk around, they don't hold the monopoly on that.

Yanbu

I hope that one day one of the dodgy arms dealers TB associates with blows his head off.

I like conduit for evil that's sums them up. I am amazed TB has been charged with war crimes.

From stories I've read over the years I would say that's a very fair statement.

Just read about this and her company have been contracted to give legal advice to a dodgy government. That legal advice doesn't seem to be just about this case. They should be giving good advice but doesn't mean the government has to take it. So don't think you can blame her for keeping an innocent man in prison. She's a very intelligent and successful woman. Money grabbing yes - but evil

I agree but sadly Blair has converted to Catholicism so I'm sure he can repent and will miss the fiery pit he deserves.

There are many evil people in the world but Blair ran a whole country, if the bloke who is behind the till at my local Co-op is a meglomaniac in the making it is of little consequence.

There is that website that asks people to attempt a citizens arrest for war crimes if they see Tony Blair. People have tried apparently.

Many lawyers defend the morally dubious; it can make them a conduit, if not a force, for evil. Discuss.

It's a fundamental principle that barristers must defend whoever asks them to. Otherwise potentially innocent people could be wrongly convicted purely because they couldn't find anyone to defend them.

No. I thikn they are both a force for good and I write that as a Tory. We need more women like Cherie Booth, not fewer.

Hasn't been charged stupid spellcheck

I agree OP, was discussing this last week. Am a staunch labour supporter, but have often thought of these two as the devil personified. They appear as totally greedy and evil. Maybe they're lovely in real life but I doubt it.

YANBU. Sadly I think he in particular is still stirring the shit but no longer in plain sight.

Yes Grazia good old Tony and his illegal war, what a force for good that was in the Middle East.

Dave?

They both seem utterly obsessed with earning vast amounts of money.

It's not 'last decade' because this sh*t plays itself out loooong term, just the way tgey plan it to and there is no need to back this up with a paragraph long spiel because the majority of us understand why OP feels this way.OP is right. ISIS, Syria, the refugees fleeing, the migrants kicking off can be directly linked to the Bush/Blair 'Get a Room' love-in we were forced to witness for far too long. Scarred for life! I'd rather watch my parents going at it than relive Bush/Blair frollicking like paramours on the South lawn of the White House...and that's saying something!
Add Rupet Murdoch, Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney to the list. The thing is, these people's influence lasts decades. Read about Kissinger's role in Cambodian genocide (John Pilger wrote a stellar article about this I recall and I think it's on his website). Tony Blair Must Be Prosecuted again, another John Pilger article from 2010- on John Pilger.com

Certainly both of them are morally repugnant

Don't around half of those practicing law do so in the favour of "evil"? Isn't the whole point that they defend either side? What about those barristers defending paedophiles and murderers?

Carmina Burana starts playing in my head whenever I see them

Egos one of the reasons genocide happens is because these despots are 'backed', they have something that is an asset to foreign investors/governments who are willing to turn a blind eye to atrocities in order to achieve long-term gain of that country's assets. America absolutely perpetrated and funded the Eugenics movement which played an enormous role in Nazi Germany. Nazi Eugenics received continued American investment. What started out as a small American movement grew into a colossal historical genocide. I am not saying a group of Eugenics guys from Los Angeles gassed millions of Jews, Christians, political prisoners, gypsies... people. But evil starts small and gains momentum, influence, and dominion. So if Tony Blair was for example a supporter of eugenics and invested in this as a profit making enterprise to allow for that annual family safari in Kenya, he would be evil in my book because he would be supporting a system that controls people and steals lives...even if he never pulled the trigger, he is an accomplice to evil. Does this make sense? So you say Tony Blair is not evil. Evil is often not transparent. He's no angel. Are any of 'em though?

Who Cherie Blair defends is neither here nor there. It is her job and though she most certainly can turn down work (particularly due to the fact she's a silk) it would be unusual for her do so.

They really remind me of House of Cards, hard and amoral and just out for themselves.

Then again, like with the TV series, you can end up being slightly in awe of such hard nosed acumen!

TB has managed to disolve himself of all blame for what he has done to the world by claiming he listens to God

He's a despicable human being. I'm just glad he was born in a democracy, otherwise I can image he would be a dictator a la Putin. No scruples, no conscience, no shame.

And as far as CB is concerned, I don't know much about her other than she appears to be hugely money grabbing and I do judge her staying married to such an obnoxious, dangerous man.

I loathe Tony Blair. He's a despicable man. What, though, do you expect of a man who thinks it is more important to be elected and to become rich and powerful than to have any principles whatsoever?