to not see a problem with men using robots for sex

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Yes, its a bit sad and perverted, but I can't see how a glorified sex doll hurts anyone. I would be horrified if a sex doll looked like a child. However if a really sad sexually frustrated man masturbates with a sex doll that looks like a grown adult, no one is getting hurt.

I don't think it that robots will be sophisicated enough to replace a real spouse in my life time.

Seriously? Was your penis hard when they grabbed it? Would be the first and most obvious point to make. Men don't have erections unless they are aroused, usually.

Loving this!! - that's the relevant bit of the sentence....

"Officer, someone touched me!"
"Were you hard/moist?"

It's not about being able intellectually to perceive the difference between a robot and a person. HTH

DHAT, so I'll disregard it - thanks for making the effort though.

I assume it's the shape you don't like? Or is it the fact that they look like plastic women?

What if they're silver with red eyes - would that ease your fears?? (don't tell the cylons though)

Wanting to own a female creature that exists to satisfy one man's every whim is not a new and liberating sexual opportunity.

Fuck, best I get rid of the Washing Machine & Dishwasher then......

Wow that's getting a bit nasty.

That's exactly the kind of everyday "joke" that demonstrates how little distance we have come as a society in how (some) men view women and girls. We are appliances for servicing men, whether that is through household tasks, childbirth and rearing, or for fucking.

Unless I have misunderstood that comment.

And the penis thing - I asked if you honestly thought that women view men as literally nothing more than hard penises. You said yes, lots of women do and gave a fairly crap example. This has nothing to do with whether a sexual assault was committed (it was). It has to do with, do you genuinely look around the world and think yes, women often look at men and all they are seeing is a hard cock. Not their arse, shoulders, arms, legs, or any other part that I would say personally is more frequently objectified. And not their face, eyes, hair, smile, or any of the things women often say they like to look at. And that they don't look at men and see people, that this is common, that they literally just glaze over and can only see them as no more than a hard penis to fuck on.

Well that's just silly, isn't it.

Maybe a problem with all of this is that some people just assume everyone else thinks and feels the same way they do, when of course, actually, lots of people don't? That's empathy, I think, or having an imagination, that sort of thing.

Is there any evidence to back up the idea that availability of sex dolls contributes to negative attitudes towards women or an increase in sexual assault? I have a hard time condemning them on the grounds that it feels like they should have bad effects.

So you'd be on board with child / baby / animal ones as well? I assume.

Not being goady, just doesn't make sense otherwise.

Personally I can't see the difference, if it's just fantasy, why does it matter what the inanimate thing is shaped like.

Anyway, I said that personally I doubt it would increase sexual violence (although I don't actually know, obviously) and said at some length indeed why I personally feel uncomfortable with it. What are your thoughts around those reasons for feeling discomfort with it?

"Wanting to own a female creature that exists to satisfy one man's every whim is not a new and liberating sexual opportunity. It's just another deeply conservative enactment of the age old narrative of male dominance over women."

Yup.

i don't see the issue some people have, it's not an exclusive male market. as there are similar machines ( ok not really talking or "life like' www.fmachinefun.co.uk/buy-a-machine/shop.html#!/Sex-Machines/c/7192051/offset=0&sort=nameAsc like these ones, admittedly it doesn't look like a man, but lets face it, it wouldn't be hard to manufacture a body around the machine in some way to resemble a male.

and i'm aware (google search had A LOT of video results from porn websites) that these are used in adult videos, but there is also going to be a market for home use niche, but it is there. of course the price makes it even more of a niche market.

surely its just about a release a lot of men and women seek, often daily and these instruments can heighten pleasure for those seeking climax through masturbation. I don't see it as belittling, women or reducing them to their genitals whilst these machines they are meant to be making for men are more life-like (as i mentioned above it wouldn't be hard for a female one either) the fact that they are seeking a whole women proves as much that it isn't just about the anus, vagina or mouth as there are several masturbatory aids that do indeed look like these body parts which is literally just about them parts of the female anatomy just like dildo's and vibrators do for women even if they do not anatomically look like a penis, that is what they are there to kind of recreate but some women like more subtle designs.

I genuinely think it won't affect mens attitudes to women.

sorry for the long post that kind of just spiralled

It's not that you want to have sex with a robot. It's that you want to have sex with a 'very beautiful' female shaped robot who is designed to have all the attributes you want in a sex partner like a vagina and tits but none of the distractions from a boner like a will of her own. If you can't discern why that might be off putting to an intelligent person, then I'm afraid you reveal quite a disturbing view of women.

No one ever mentioned being a 'robot ethicist' in any careers talk at my school

The difference I think, meerkat, is that a worryingly large number of men do only think of women, girls, boys and sometimes other men in terms of them being a set of holes to penetrate.

Women are very aware of this every time we get hassled on the street, felt up on the tube, followed late at night, sexually assaulted or raped. Those men are not seeing us as "whole women", we know how they see us. Often they directly tell us "oi you with the big tits gissa blow job" and so forth.

So this, is a symptom of men not seeing us as whole people. In some other countries, men get actual real women who pretty much have to do this for them. Men can buy women to do this for them in every country in the world. Recent news items show us that men will group together to access bodies, as holes, with no concern for the person around the holes.

So it's this backdrop, isn't it, it simply confirms what we suspected lots of men thought of us in the first place, really. It's a symptom of the wider malaise. Will it cause more or worsen it? I don't know. I don't think so, but I don't know.

I don't think it would change many men's attitudes to women - they already think of us as fuck holes. I would rather we didn't support that view.

"Voyage come back to me when men have been culturally and sexually oppressed by women for thousands of years, k thx. Further oppressing the minority by reducing a female "body" to the stereotype of a silent object is not in the same league as "won't somebody thing of the men??"

However, personally I think a sex robot of either gender is creepy and de-humanising."

well you haven't been oppressed for thousands of years yourself have you? if everybody that had been oppressed in some form sought retribution there would be a never ending cycle of oppression, disparity, etc and its not the way to move forward

You think that speaking against the idea of lifelike sex robots in the shape of women for men to wank into, means inflicting retribution in the shape of oppression in return for the thousands of years of oppression that men have inflicted (and still inflict) on women?

Sorry but

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I mean come ON

YY man not being allowed life size realistic woman mannequin to fuck into is totes in line with what (off the top of my head) boko haram and isis are doing to women and you know what stopping men having the sex bots is just MEAN and will add insult to injury and bring even more violence down on women obviously and it'd be their own fault.

I mean, you think you've made a good point with that one?

Whirlpool

you are right that we can't be sure on the effect it will have, and just for 100% clarity (it was probably obvious anyway) i am a man, who doesn't catcall, grope etc but i know it unfortunately happens, which i believe a large part of the issue in the current world is if men who have low self esteem or struggle talking to women google " how to get a girlfriend" "how to pick up women" there are countless websites telling men thats how to get a womans attention with added videos for affect, which show success after success but miss out telling you the hours it had taken to get that 5 minute video, or people showing their displeasure, but i am majorly digressing that isn't the point of the thread and one of many factors including a lot of guys just being absolute arseholes. (again sorry for the long off topic talk just an observation my mind went to when replying)

i get the idea that it could and it shows in this thread symbolises to a lot of women that they are just holes to be penetrated, for men i think it would literally just be a tool to heighten their pleasure when they masturbate and whilst it's not like i hold big meetings with men but from my limited experiences of talking about masturbation vs sex with other men its compartmentalised as two different activities, but again admittedly there will be those that are affected by it like others have by watching porn.

I think it's hard to get a 100% correct answer, as there are many different things different people find offensive and whilst we don't know what the actual result would be and just because i feel it perhaps would have a minimal effect on men's attitudes towards women it doesn't negate your concerns that it might.

(again sorry if i have caused offence, none intended and on a side note for the price they would want for the sexbots you would have to be mad to spend that much on a bit of relief!)

Buffy

i agree that you don't have to experienced it, but i was focusing more on just the "Voyage come back to me when men have been culturally and sexually oppressed by women for thousands of years, k thx" section of the comment so not really inferring anything about sex dolls/ bots or whatever in that context, i probably have made it more clear.

i just think the way it's worded and i have seen it various times on different topics is used just to negate any opinion someone of the "oppressor" kind has and dismisses it. when i pointed out she hasn't suffered for 1000's of years whilst there is still some way to go for real true equality thankfully conditions have improved drastically in recent history (in relation to 1000's of years) and many women that live today have thankfully not been subjected to the treatment of say their mothers, grandmothers and so on. so whilst there are remnants of past history the actions of men before who have been truly appalling just like most women haven't witnessed the same level of inequality a lot of men (hopefully most, perfect world all) have altered opinions and shouldn't be blamed for their ancestors or men they have no connection to.

the retribution comment was just that a comment in general which re reading i believe i misread as i can't imagine why i would have spoke about retribution otherwise.

again no offence meant, and sorry if there has been

Loads of people fantasize about having sex with their favourite celebrity, or with a person who is very beautiful or very unobtainable for some other reason. Quite a lot of people masturbate with a picture in front of them of someone who is both very desirable but completely unavailable to them. There are all sorts of products available these days that allow us to feel we are having an experience which is not actually accessible to us in real life, whether that's driving a racing car, landing on Mars or going on an adventure with [fictional character of choice]. People still like reality as well as fantasy, but healthy people like a bit of fantasy now and again, and that's all these robots would be - a fullfilment of fantasies. NOthing wrong with that.

I don't see the problem.
Those people who want to have sex with inaminate objects with holes can go ahead and do that ,and leave real people alone. Those people who want relationships with real people can seek other like minded people out.
Sex robots are really just an extension of blow up dolls and sex toys, they're the logical conclusion.
It is more problematic when it comes to the possibility of child/animal robots existing though. I can't see that ever being legal, at least not at our current level of knowledge and understanding of paedophilia.

My wife has a trio of sex toys and my eldest daughter one or two of her own, apparently. On the other hand I have none. I clearly need some form of sexual appliance for myself in order to address this growing gender inequality in our household.