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AIBU?

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I think my sister was out of order

92 replies

radiodad · 11/09/2015 12:23

So the background to this is my wife passed away 6 months ago. We have 4 DCs together. DD1 (11) DS1 (7) and DD2 and DS2 who are twins (4).

It has been really difficult DD 1 in particular is finding it incredibly hard. She has just started secondary school and she is also starting puberty and she could really use her mum to talk to.I have tried to talk to her a bit but she finds it a bit embarrassing talking to her dad about it.
She has a therapist but she is very wary of opening up to her. She has always been very shy and takes a while to open up to strangers and she is finding everything even harder now.

So I asked my sister if she could talk to her about everything so she can have a female to talk to about anything she wants. My sister can be a bit self-involved but when my wife died she promised to be there for us for anything and she has been helpful getting food shopping and helping buying the DCs stuff ready for school.

My sister was keen to help and so she picked DD 1 up from school on Wednesday and took her back to hers for ice cream and a chat.
They arrived back later than planned and DD went straight to her room. I asked my sister what they had talked about. My sister said she had promised to keep it a secret but DD was fine and just a little upset because in the car on the way home she had become upset for no obvious reason.
I went upstairs to talk to her later and DD said she was fine and she was just tired.

So yesterday when she got up for school she said she felt sick and wanted to stay home. She didn't eat her breakfast and she doesn't usually have days off so I said fine. I had to go to work but I came back to see her on my lunch and break and she was lying on the sofa and very quiet not even watching tv.

At dinnertime DD 2 was talking about her day at school and then she dropped her fork and DD1 shouted at her and told her to concentrate on what she was doing then stormed off to her room.

I went to see her and she was sobbing into her pillow. I asked her what was wrong and in the end she told me that my sister kept trying to talk to her and DD 1 told her that she didn't want to talk just now. My sister told her that it was tough and she was going to talk to her because I was fed up of her whingeing (I have never said that). DD1 asked my sister if that was true and my sister said yes it was and everyone was really disappointed in her because She should be a mother figure for the younger DCs and she told her that sister was the only one who understood her so DD had to talk to her.
DD said that she didn't believe that I would say that and my sister insisted that it was true.
DD was really upset so sister talked to her for a bit about how unfair I was and how sister was the only one my DD could trust because teachers would report to me if she said anything. Then she swore DD to silence and told her that if she blabbed I would be really cross and probably tell the school that DD was a problem kid and all the teachers would hate her and her friends would stay away from her. Then sister repeated this in the car on the way home to remind her to keep quiet.

I told DD that sister was wrong and I would never do that and I loved her. She was still really upset , we talked and I reassured her for hours and she couldn't get to sleep till the early hours of the morning.
When she woke up I convinced her to go to school and I am hoping she will be okay today.

I called my sister and asked her why she did that and she said it was to get DD to open up. She was unapologetic because she says that her plan worked as DD did talk to her. She doesn't think she was in the wrong and became upset with me when I told her how angry with her I was. She says anyone would have done the same and I just can't see that because I am grieving and jealous that DD opened up to her and not me.
She claims to have spoken to my mum and my mum agrees that sister did the right thing.

So AIBU or was my sister out of order to say that to my DD.

OP posts:
maddening · 11/09/2015 15:58

you did not ask your dsis to get dd to talk just to be there for her and being that dsis is not trained in therapy/psychology/ counselling she has no business trying her idea of psychology out on a grieving child at the expense of the relationship the child has with het only remaining parent.

lorelei9 · 11/09/2015 16:08

thanks Thumb, I thought the OP had just mentioned it as I missed that.

Bambambini · 11/09/2015 16:09

He has been so gob smackingly awful, i did wonder if sonething was lost on transition. Speak to your mum and the school and just make it clear to your daughter that you love her and that she is you no 1 priority. And make sure your sister gets no chance to do any more damage.

Sorry that you are all having to deal with this.

Bambambini · 11/09/2015 16:09

She - not he!

eddielizzard · 11/09/2015 16:23

your dsis has the empathy of a gnat. what person thinks it's ever ok to alienate a grieving child from their parent? utterly shocking really.

now you know - don't entrust your sister to anything regarding emotional wellbeing. i would as your dd who she would like to speak to. a trusting and open relationship can't be forced. she might prefer to talk to a teacher at school or one of her friend's mums. then i'd approach that person and ask them.

you sound like you're doing great. so tough. you'll get through this though, because you understand what your dc's need.

ImperialBlether · 11/09/2015 16:28

That sister sounds unhinged. I'd get onto the other sister and ask her whether she could phone your daughter regularly for a chat. It might be good for them to text, too - some questions are easier to ask in a text than on the phone.

Your poor family, losing your wife/their mum like that.

Flowers
LargeGoldAtrociousCunt · 11/09/2015 16:34

Your poor dd, I feel so sad for her and you after reading this, I'm so sorry for your loss Thanks

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 11/09/2015 16:37

Has your sister always been such a bitch? This is beyond 'self absorbed'. Your poor DD and awful to let you both down so badly

scater · 11/09/2015 16:45

Hi OP

I am so sorry for your loss. My mum died when I was a similar age to your daughter, though I was an only child. And I totally understand that while you have always been an open family she may find it difficult to talk to you about some things.

For me it was my mums female friends I spent quality time with. To the extent that when I started my periods I told one of them who promptly rang my dad, who immediately went to the shop to buy me flowers, chocolate and sanitary towelsBlush

I would really urge you to ty an maintain your wife's friendships for your children. These are also wen who loved and laughed with your wife and whose memories are different to yours. My dad got married after a few years but I have always said ultimately I'm pretty lucky as I have four mums.

Ps. Sounds like you are doing an amazing job, massive hugs.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 11/09/2015 16:54

I have no words about your sister. I would expect a full apology to your DD which I doubt very much would be forthcoming.

I'm really sorry to hear of your loss. That must be very tough and it's a double whammy to find that a member of your own family could be so utterly crap and make things worse.

Did you and your wife have a trusted babysitter, a friend of your wife or yours or any female that she's known since she was a small child? Given this experience I'd be very wary and check out what they might say to your DD before any chat takes place though.

Squishyeyeballs · 11/09/2015 16:58

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Heehawheehawheehaw · 11/09/2015 17:01

Dear god , as if you and your family don't have enough to deal with

Your sister is completely and utterly in the wrong

PrincessFiorimonde · 11/09/2015 17:25

radiodad, I'm very sorry to hear about your wife, and my heart goes out to you and all your children.

When I read your OP, I did wonder if perhaps your sister might have said some helpful/supportive things, which your DD might have overlooked because of all the completely unhelpful/unsupportive/downright harsh things your sister also said. But your later post made clear that your DD obviously has NOT got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

I agree with other posters that I hope DD will find a proper confidante - whether another family member, a friend's Mum, or a friend of your late wife - and I think you're right to say that DD will have her own thoughts here.

With regard to the specific issue of DD approaching puberty, please do think about NotMeNotYouNotAnyone's post above - specifically this bit: "[tell her] that you are happy to talk to her about anything, remind her that you grew up with a sister [sisters?] and were with her mum for many years so you're aware of and not squeamish about 'girls' things. Buy sanitary products to keep in a location she can access them if she needs to, without her having to come and ask, let her know you've done this".

There's currently a thread in Chat where people are talking about when they started their periods, and some people (notably twirlypoo) have said that their Dads were really supportive:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2465701-Do-you-remember-telling-your-mum-that-youd-started-your-periods?msgid=56538475

Flowers Flowers to all of you.

Maudofallhopefulness · 11/09/2015 17:41

My Dad died when I was 12. It is a difficult age but i can't remember talking to Mum about puberty or grief or anything. Mum gave me a pack of san pro but no talk. Nothing you couldn't do as a caring father.

My friends were my support, and keeping a diary helped.

My Mum was and is fantastic and gave me a loving, stable home.

Your poor DD, what a crap thing for your sister to do.

Spadequeen · 11/09/2015 17:42

Your poor dd, please do not let your sister anywhere near her ever again, what a witch. And if your mum agrees with her (though be careful, she may have heard a very edited version of what was said), keep her away re all advice too. You don't need us to tell you this is wrong, you know it was a terrible thing your sister said, I'd be having far stronger words with her. It didn't work at all, I'm so cross on your behalf.

peaz · 11/09/2015 17:48

I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost my brother recently and we are all there for my sister in law and my nephew.

I have NO idea what to say to him, if and when I am ever needed to say anything but it will only ever be if he wants me to. If my SIL wants me to get him to open up it certainly will not be in the way that your sister has spoken to her. How awful.

I would be inclined to agree with PP's who have said to keep her away from your DD. She needs your protection, but from your posts here you know that. You don't need that kind of poison in your lives.x

cremeeggboycotter · 11/09/2015 19:09

I''m so sorry for your loss OP. I had to comment, not only because your sister is vile and I suggest you find out just what (most likely modified) story she told you mum.

I also wanted to comment because uneasily this rings familiar to me. I remember something similar (in no way to do with grief though but other hurtful things) happening to my friend. One of her friends started acting in this manner towards her and essentially stirring shit behind the scenes. It's hard to explain but the way she did it is very similar to your DD and friend didn't tell us for a long time. We found out that this vile person had a real 'hero' complex. She was a spoilt, jealous little shit th and by encouraging my friend not to open up to anyone else and that essentially every hated/disliked/was annoyed with her, it made her the only one my friend eventually (after a lot of manipulation) felt she could turn to. This gave that woman a real 'hero' buzz. She gushed how she was the only one to help my friend to everyone, she was the only one who told things true, if anyone questioned her they were jealous of their relationship....

I do wonder if your sister is a bit the same. If she's spoilt/jealous/craving attention (sometimes people get jealous of the attention others get when grieving, don't ask me why- they're just that insecure) and has used your DD to make herself feel important.

I echo what other have said, protect your children from her. She won't just stop with DD...

cremeeggboycotter · 11/09/2015 19:13

Also the sex education show might be good for both of you to watch (apart though she'll be too embarrassed) but it helps with how to talk about sex/puberty and to reassure kids.

wowfudge · 11/09/2015 19:18

What a wicked, awful thing to do to your poor DD. I feel for you having put your trust in your sister and her doing that and agree she needs keeping away from all your children.

A pp suggested friends of your wife might be the right kind of confidante for your DD - I would agree with that or the mum of one of her friends.

So sorry for your loss.

3littlebadgers · 11/09/2015 19:34

Oh op I feel for you and your poor DD, as if things weren't hard enough. Flowers Your sister was out of order.
You sound like a wonderful father so I know your dd probably already knows, but just reasure her you are there for her with whatever she may want to talk about, just like you were there for her lovely mother.
I agree that, if you can, maintaining your wife's friendships for your DD's sake is an important thing to do. They will be missing her friendship too, and would be overwhelmingly proud to be given the chance to care for your DD the way their friend would have done.
Lilets do a lovely range of sanitary protection for teenagers, for when the time comes.

3littlebadgers · 11/09/2015 19:36

Oh I forgot to mention, I had a mum but she was not easy to talk to, and very judgemental. My dad did all of my 'talks' and bra buying etc with me. He was great, just as I am sure you will be.

Badders123 · 11/09/2015 19:39

Your sister is cruel and vindictive.
Please do not let her alone with your DC again.

lunar1 · 11/09/2015 19:42

Bloody hell your sister wouldn't be getting near your children again if I were you. I'm so sorry for what you are going through.

ToffeeForEveryone · 11/09/2015 19:43

That's just awful. Your sister sounds spiteful and evil. What terrible things to say to a girl who has just lost her mother.

I wouldn't let your sister anywhere near your DCs now if I were you. Unforgivable.

OTheHugeManatee · 11/09/2015 20:01
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