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AIBU?

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to reply to my childrens' texts?

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lightshaddows · 31/08/2015 16:15

My exh has told me and my children that they are not to contact me or me them, whilst they are at his house. I have never instigated a text conversation with them whilst they are with him, but I do respond to their texts. He says I should ignore them.

Back ground: one of my children has anxiety and usually just needs to touch base with me to feel okay again. There has been 7 months of upset between him and the children as they don't like his girlfriend - they both feel shoved out/that they are not listened to etc...

Personally I have no issue if he wants to contact the children when they are with me (although in three years he never has) as I think children should be able to contact either parent at any time if they wish to.

This came to a head the other night when my children were at his house, texting me, asking to come home (at 11pm). I called him to see if he wanted me to collect them and was told I shouldn't be texting them, I should ignore them and that HE WILL PUT A STOP TO IT.

AIBU to think its okay for me to reply to my children?

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FithColumnist · 31/08/2015 19:25

Get your own external advice from a solicitor. Get it in writing and send it to him and tell him to fuck off and stop being such a cock.

Calmwitholdage · 31/08/2015 19:42

I have rejoined specifically to reply to this. Your ex is an arse, I had exactly the same scenario, my kids were 11 & 12, they are in their 20's now. He had a girlfriend that was just awful to them, they didn't feel safe, my youngest didn't want to go as he was worried "something" might happen! He was wound up before every visit, I got them a phone to use as my ex refused to allow them to use his landline, I got vague threats about him stopping them using it, they texted me when they were unhappy, i.e girlfriend calling them little shits, calling me a fucking cow, their dad shouting at them, threatening them with smacking, or if there was a bad atmosphere as the girlfriend was whispering or giving them dirty looks, I encouraged them to go, I tried my best to facilitate a relationship, you know what, I was wrong, he hated me more than he loved them, he was with someone that saw them as interlopers in her life, I eventually kept a diary of everything that was said, they wrote in it for every visit, in one year there was one visit that went without any incident.

I wrote a letter to him, I explained the children were anxious, I offered mediation for him and the kids, with me coming along as an option, to allow them to discuss why they felt anxious, I offered him day only visits as overnight stays were too stressful, I explained why his girlfriends actions were unacceptable. Nothing worked, the visits tailed off, once he realised they could not be persuaded I was a bitch from hell he wrote them off.

More than ten years later he has married the girlfriend, my children, now adults, hate him, and have nothing to do with him or her. His loss. My only regret is I tried to keep them visiting even when they told me they were unhappy.

Tell him you will ask for a referral for mediation, put in writing that you are willing to work this out, but your children need to feel safe and secure, and that their wellbeing comes first, if they need to phone him when they are with you there is no issue and you expect it to be the same for him, your children are not possessions and if they need their parents they should be able to speak to them. By the sound of it he is going to bow out of their lives, but blame you, your children will realise this, and my advice is to keep diaries. I brought out my 2003 diary the other day, I was going to throw it out, my eldest read it, said they had forgotten a lot of what had happened and asked to keep it, said they thought it was an important record of their childhood.

And good luck, I hope your children come through this relatively unscathed.

lightshaddows · 31/08/2015 21:57

Fith - I would love to ask a solicitor to write to him telling him not to be suck a cock! Sadly, I cannot afford a solicitor last time I had to take advice about his unreasonable behaviour it cost me 300 quid ...

Calm - thank you for taking the time to reply. I am questioning whether I really should encourage them to go - they don't want to go - I wish I had kept a record of everything he's done - though it would make a horrible read.

He was meant to have them all this weekend - but hasn't contacted me or them. Hes next meant to have them on Wednesday - I'm wondering if I should make other arrangements... He makes me quite literally, physically ill. The stress he has put me under during the past 2 years is becoming too much. I had to take a month off work earlier this year because I was literally drained... I couldn't function.... Trying to second guess his next move is making me feel ill again...

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BestZebbie · 31/08/2015 22:06

Could you be encouraging homesickness by having ongoing text conversations? On a cub or scout camp it is very strongly encouraged that the children don't have free access to their phones because if they start focusing on not being at home then they just cannot engage fully with what they are there for and then they tend to get homesick and not have any fun - whereas if the leader is able to get their attention to distract them or their friends talk to them they very quickly forget about missing their normal routine and are able to have a lot of fun in the slightly unfamiliar environment. Although your children should not be banned from talking to you, you may well be setting their Dad up to fail by allowing ongoing engagement with you when they are supposed to be focusing on their time spent with him.

OfficeGirl1969 · 31/08/2015 22:13

I'd be more than a little concerned...nobody has the right to tell you or your children that there can't be any contact whilst they're with him. It's so unkind.

I understand the thoughts above that potentially it could encourage home sickness if you were to constantly send them messages, but if they instigate it and are messaging you because they're unhappy, it's cruel not to reply or for him to insist that you ignore him.

lightshaddows · 31/08/2015 22:23

Best - no, I don't think I am encouraging it - like I said - I never instigate a text conversation with them, because I am respectful that they are with dad. When they have 'good' weekends, then I don't hear from them and that is fine! I want them to be happy there. But if they text me then I do reply, always encouraging them to stay, or offer reassurance that everything is fine etc...

These problems have only arisen since the gf has been around - before that, everything was fine - he and I were very flexible with arrangements, the kids were happy bla bla.... Now, he wont even answer my texts or phone calls if the gf is around - and I only contact him if its important and only ever about the children. For example - I was taken to hospital by ambulance, in front of my children... he was asked to come and collect them and take them home.... he wouldn't.

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Calmwitholdage · 01/09/2015 00:09

Light, you have my total sympathy here, I am sure you want your children's visits to be nice and uncomplicated, it's horrible when other adults cannot put children first and their relationships with others second.

PrincessHairyMclary · 01/09/2015 00:26

If the contact is court ordered don't make other plans but don't remind him either. Contact will either fizzle out, which for the time being sounds like it would benefit your youngest and as the oldest is 12 she is really old enough to decide if she wants to go or not.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 01/09/2015 00:30

Fucking hell he sounds like a bastard yanbu

RockinHippy · 01/09/2015 04:03

He sounds to behaving like a prick & letting his GF call the shots, you've had plenty of good advice above, so I won't add to that as I can't really, other than at the age your girls are, then surely they have a say in whether they go or not & maybe just take their lead on it for future.

I may be way off the mark, but what you say about your DDs anxiety, injury, stomach trouble etc caught my attention & I wondered if the health condition she has is Ehlers Danlos ???

My own DD has this & the anxiety symptom can go haywire at times, especially if they are stressed, inactive or not drinking enough. It's really hard to manage & is often misunderstood by GPs - I've recently had some success with mine by giving her 5htp, doesn't stop it all together, but definitely lessens it & when I ran out recently she had a bad episode again. It's safe for older kids, I checked into it thoroughly & with an alternative therapist friend too.

Just thought I'd mention it, just in case it might be of help to your DD too

Mermaidhair · 01/09/2015 05:41

I think you should be able to have contact with your children. But if he wanted them picked up at 11pm wouldn't he have called you? Has he ever asked you to come and get them earlier before when the kids have asked?

CarlaJones · 01/09/2015 08:07

Is he moving away because he needs to or so the gf doesn't have to put up with them at weekends?

BarbarianMum · 01/09/2015 08:45

My kids are with their gp for a few days. It is certainly true that if I started ringing or texting them (esp in the evenings) that they would be likely to suddenly become homesick. This phenomenon is pretty well recognised which is why children on school trips, cub camps etc are not encouraged to take phones. So yes, I do think that you could actually be making anxiety worse by entering a long text conversation late at night.

RebootYourEngine · 01/09/2015 11:22

Your ex does sound like a cock however you may not be helping.

Everytime my ds has been away with school, clubs etc they are not allowed to take phones. It helps them settle in and not be reminded of home.

Maybe try not to answer texts the next time the children go to their dads. See how the anxiety is.

Anxiety is a bitch though, i suffer from it & so does my ds, so i sympathise with that.

lightshaddows · 01/09/2015 11:24

Mermaid - I called him because my daughters asked me to - I actually did it in a 'would it be helpful if...' kind of way, not a confrontational 'I am coming to get my children' kind of way. This has happened a number of times, the kids ask to go home, he refuses and they get more and more upset until he eventually listens and they get brought home.

Barbarian - I hear what you're saying... I know that if I were to contact them then it could prompt a situation that they then want to come home. Which is why I never instigate a conversation/contact. But if they are contacting me telling me they don't want to stay there, how am I meant to ignore that?

Rockin Hippy - yes it is EDS! well spotted! I will look into 5htp... me and the girls all have EDS ...its not fun is it!?

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BarbarianMum · 01/09/2015 12:11

lightshaddows I know it's not an easy situation. However. I think what I'm saying is that, if you've made the decision they are going to their dad's and staying the night, then this is the decision and should be stuck to (am assuming he's not going to be horribly neglectful and not feed them, or get blinding drunk or hit them meaning they do need to be collected at short notice). So if you've decided to send them then there is no point getting into a discussion at 9pm about coming home. I'd suggest 1 short text wishing them goodnight then nothing, esp as answering them is unsettling them further.

If, sparately, access arrangements are not suiting the children and need to be altered then you are going to need a dialogue with your ex or go to court to arrange this. But sending them then to and fro texts at bedtime and offering to take them away again is just disruptive and unsettling (I do understand that this is not what you are trying to do).

ohtheholidays · 01/09/2015 13:10

Light I would leave any further contact upto him.from the sounds of it I don't think he'll be contacting you or the children from now on.

It honestly sounds like you'd all be alot happier if there was no contact with him at all.

I hope the stress you and your daughters are suffering starts easing for you all,it must be exhausting for you all.

lightshaddows · 01/09/2015 14:52

Barbariam - I get what youre saying and I kind of agree although its not the texting that upsets them - its their dad not listening to their wishes. They have no idea whether the gf is going to be there until they arrive because he wont tell them. They get there and try to settle but sometimes cant.... I don't offer for them to come home, the ask (plead, beg) its very hard to ignore and say oh well you chose to go so get on with it.

holidays... thank you - yes, it is incredibly stressful. I have spoken to gingerbread and they have suggested a few things I can try to sort out a more suitable contact arrangement.....

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RockinHippy · 01/09/2015 16:35

I feel for you & your girls even more then lightshadows :(

EDS anxiety is hellish to manage even with 2 parents who are together & get on well as we do, I get it, I know how it feels to have a broken flight or fight response, which is what it is as I'm sure you know, because like you, I also gave EDS, but DH really struggles to understand how DD can go from confident & clever, to frightened little mouse at the flick of a switch - puberty hormones are playing havoc with it all, so it's doubly hard at this age.

I'm really not surprised you are struggling so much & your DD is screaming out for help all the time when she is with her DF, DF may not actually be as bad as painted, I know mine gets massively over sensitive, they all do at this age, but with EDS in the mix it's hellish for them, because their body reacts to serious danger from a minor upset & at this age they just don't see the difference

I've a really good video link somewhere, I will try & find it & post it for you, if you haven't seen it, I would recommend asking their DF & his GF to watch it, it might help them understand better why the girls over react

We showed it to DD too & it's helped her understand better too, still no magic, but like the 5htp it helped

It must be so hard to manage in this situation though :(

MrsItsNoworNotatAll1 · 01/09/2015 16:46

What a knob!!! Of course you should reply to their texts.

RockinHippy · 01/09/2015 16:48

video

I hope this works x

Hellocampers · 01/09/2015 17:06

What loving dad discourages his children from texting their mother?

He sounds vile. The gf sounds an utter bitch while you op sound very very nice and normal.

There's good free advice in the mumsnet legal section op.

RockinHippy · 01/09/2015 17:14

I've worded myself badly - I meant - why the girls may seem to overreact - no saying that they are overreacting, but if DF doesn't understand how EDS anxiety works & thinks that they are, it could go a little way to explaining his awful attitude, maybe even the GF too - though she may just be a complete bitch who resents his kids & is stirring it up the best she can of course & he is just too much of a sap not to see it & plays along :(

Good luck x

ollieplimsoles · 01/09/2015 17:23

Op he honestly sounds exactly like my dad, to the letter.

He snatched our phones off us,
Put his bitch girlfriend first
Moved away to another country and expected us to stay for extended periods.

My mum never bad mouthed him and tried to make it work so they could co parent, but he always fucked it up.

So stuff him, your kids will thank you.

Katedotness1963 · 01/09/2015 17:28

Your ex sounds like a complete and utter wanker. Of course you should reply to your children!