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AIBU?

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to be cross with chronically late, attention/reassurance-seeking friend?

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MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 16:04

Usually meet up with friend on my own. She's always late so I bring book to restaurant and wait. Don't mind as have young children at home and happy for peace and quiet. Met up with her plus my DH and DC for walking tour, lunch and theatre in another town 1 hour away. Her idea, but I bought theatre tickets. Plan was to have picnic lunch in between. Night before she rings (waking me up as I had fallen asleep) to say "I am bringing a packed lunch. Do you think that is selfish?" Non-plussed, I said no. Being sleepy, I did not gush "of course not", just sounded non-plussed (as we had agreed to bring packed lunches). She sounded put out that I hadn't spent a lot of time reassuring her, but I was too woozy to care, having just woken up. Next day, she arrives 20 minutes late. We had arrived 30 minutes early, as we set out the time she had said she would set up (9am). She rocks up at 10.50am. We have to run to venue for 11am start. Don't have time to listen to her excuses/apology (which would be in fact an invitation to tell her that we really don't mind!). She seems put out that her "grand entrance" has been ignored and we are more concerned about giving the kids a snack/going to the loo before 11am! Walking tour overruns, kids get hungry, but DH and I manage to distract them. After things are calm, she starts going on "Oh, I feel so terrible, the kids are so bored and hate this, and it was all my idea". I try to "shush" her discretely as I do not want to wind the kids up. She looks very put out at being shushed as this was obviously my opportunity to tell her that of course we don't mind and her needs come before the kids. At lunchtime - which is a quick chance to eat our packed lunch before the show begins - she announces that she has not brought any packed lunch and she will need to buy some sandwiches. I say this is fine and there are lots of sandwich shops close to where we are picnicking. She ignores these and goes on a ten minute trek to buy some rank sandwiches in a petrol station. Then proceeds to eat these sulkily, enviously eyeing our nice picnic. I am busy feeding kids and taking them to the nearest loos (the museum). We are packing up and she announces "I shall have to go to the toilets at the theatre". I say "Why not use the museum loos, they are just over there". She says "Oh, I couldn't use the museum loos". So we queue up in the packed theatre for the four ladies loos with her, and then wait outside. When we are seated she wants to sit in the aisle seat (that I have booked in case the kids need the loo during the performance). I ask her to sit down where she is (not on the aisle) as we are trying to get everyone seated and there is a queue of people behind us. She does not come out during the interval and "hogs" the aisle seat saying that she will have to leave during the performance as "they have brought the soundcheck forward to 6.30pm" for her concert (1.5-2 hours away). Realistically, she will be lucky to make the 7.30pm performance start. I spent £200 on the theatre tickets for us all and hoped it would be a special occasion rather than something she just dropped into. I don't think I'll bother arranging a day out with her again. AIBU?

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MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 18:36

"I might have shared my sarnie with her though."

Well, I'm a fat bastard who doesn't mind people thinking I'm a cnut.

Which just underlines how unsuited my friend and I are if she is the kind who can sit there eating a crap sandwich and feel sorry for herself when there's a pret-a-manger, caffe nero, and various delicious independent foodshops just opposite.

Maybe that's the bit I just can't understand about her behaviour.

"You didn't bring a sandwich? WTF? Does not compute"

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Annapurnacircuit · 31/08/2015 18:39

How long have you been friends? Sorry if I missed that bit.

AnUtterIdiot · 31/08/2015 18:40

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MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 18:41

We've been friends for years. A decade or so. Since before I had children.

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lorelei9 · 31/08/2015 18:42

YANBU

I don't have flakey disorganised types as friends any more. It's too much hassle for no reason. The petrol station sandwich sounds like she was trying to play martyr and I know what you mean that she's trying g to get you to say "no it's fine, we don't mind". Nightmare.

MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 18:45

AnUtterIdiot - thanks - I think DH and I will wait for the dust to settle somewhat before we decide what to do.

And I wouldn't have a go at her about her sadness over our mutual friend getting married. I felt sorry for her that she couldn't see that it wasn't anything personal to her that she wasn't the most important person in her best friend's life anymore. They went through a difficult patch and DH and I supported her through that and they seem to be through the other side of it.

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EddieStobbart · 31/08/2015 18:46

OP, she sounds a bit like my mum and it does my head in. However, I know this is because she is chronically insecure (but won't admit it). My mum is quite childlike and vulnerable with regards some things so I can't just leave her to get on with it but it does sound like you could have done this with your friend ie tell her where the walking tour is due to start and let her find her own way (Google Maps tends to do the job). I may have missed this but why did everyone have to join the theatre toilet queue? Get on with your own plans, keep her informed but leave her to fit in with you - push the responsibility for her flakey-ness back on to her and she'll irritate you less.

Theycallmemellowjello · 31/08/2015 18:47

Come on, some of the stuff is annoying, but you don't get to be annoyed because YOU didn't like HER sandwich! If I met up with a friend for a picnic and they bought rather than brought a sandwich it would be a total non-issue. I can't imagine she could have predicted you would have been upset by that.

AnUtterIdiot · 31/08/2015 18:50

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MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 18:54

I really don't mind about her sandwich.

It was she that seemed upset by the sandwich.

If I had had my camera handy I could have taken a "Daily Mail" "Sad Face With Sandwich" photo of her looking forlornly at her sandwich while gazing wistfully at my sandwich.

A schoolfriend had a dog who did a similar thing.

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DriverSurpriseMe · 31/08/2015 18:58

I get the impression you think she deliberately chose to buy a crap sandwich (instead of a nice sandwich from Pret or whatever) in order to be a bit of a martyr? I mean, who WOULD choose to buy a shitty sandwich from a far away petrol station, instead of a nice place nearby? Grin

DiseasesOfTheSheep · 31/08/2015 19:01

You actually "shushed" an adult during a normal social interaction?

Crikey...

MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 19:02

It is interesting about people saying "why didn't you tell her to meet you there?" or "you didn't have to take her to the loo at the theatre", etc.

I took DC to the loo and bar in the interval on my own and later asked DH why he had not followed us out. He said that he had wanted to come out and get a drink, but friend sat herself down in the aisle seat and he felt that he "could not leave her on her own" (although my 7 year old DS managed to go to the loo on his own as his dad was not there to take him).

Is it us over-infantilising her? Is it her being over-dependent upon us?

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emotionsecho · 31/08/2015 19:04

I think you are now just so different in your outlook and ways that this friendship no longer brings you any joy.

Previously it didn't bother you that she would pitch up late to meet you, in fact you organised yourself to enjoy the time spent waiting for her, now it does. As I said before if this aspect of her irritated you you have had plenty of time to address it, you haven't so she carries on doing it.

You have in the past worked around her antics and compensated for them, on this occasion you didn't and seemingly didn't want to, she is behaving as she has always done, your reaction to it this time was different. How was she to know that this time you would be different?

MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 19:21

This time we had a schedule of events to attend and needed to be on time (as opposed to meeting inside a restaurant for a meal).

We had offered to give her a lift (to save fuel and prevent her being late), but she did not take up this offer.

She can manage to be on time when she wants to. I assumed that this time she would make the effort, and not want to leave a load of people including small children waiting around outside for her.

I think she thinks she can just turn up any time she fancies and make up for it by doing a really good whiny annoying "apology" which we will reward with a reassuring "of course we don't mind".

I think having the kids there with me, who were bewildered by being let down and whom I spend most of my life trying to keep on time for school, etc, made things different this time.

I want to be a good friend and "nice" to her. But I do not want to say to my kids "It's okay for people to treat you like this" when being late is rude and disrespectful.

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emotionsecho · 31/08/2015 19:35

I agree with you there Mole but clearly your friend doesn't think it is rude and disrespectful because you have never said that to her, have always accepted her whiny, annoying apologies and to suddenly change the rules on this occasion is likely to have come as a surprise to her.

Was she made fully aware of the strict timetable and the need to adhere to it? Did she just think, as she always does with you, that it's all ok as you don't mind her being late? You only seem to have decreed her behaviour as rude and disrespectful because your children were with you, you were happy to accommodate it when it was just you who was being disrespected.

Your tolerance for her antics changed because your children were with you, I imagine she was quite shocked that she was not being treated as she normally is by you.

Maybe you need to have a long talk with her and work out if your friendship can adapt to change.

MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 19:35

Anyway, thanks for all your replies. It's been interesting hearing others' views on things. I think either you have had a friend like this and had the experience of being "the bad guy" who gets annoyed or you haven't.

In some ways it is quite cheering to know that there are lots of people around who would not be irritated by lateness/inability to take decisions/responsibility as this means that there should be lots of people to step into the breach should DH and I decide to back away from this friendship.

From my point of view, I enjoy making arrangements and sticking with them so that we're only dealing with genuine emergencies rather than the man-made kind, so will try to stick with likeminded people.

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emotionsecho · 31/08/2015 19:38

If she has no children she will have no idea about not leaving them hanging around waiting, it just wouldn't compute.

MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 19:47

It may be that she knows exactly how horrible it is to be kept hanging around waiting and that is why she always turns up late. So it is always someone else and not her.

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emotionsecho · 31/08/2015 19:55

That's always a possibility Mole, people who are habitually late are usually the absolute worst if they are kept waiting for a nano second.

I have to put my hands up and say I have never had a friend like this, I don't possess the patience or temperment required.

MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 20:08

Funnily enough her best friend, the one with the new husband, stepkids and demanding job, is a real stickler for punctuality. She gets really worried about being late and will plan far ahead and can be relied upon to turn up early just to make sure she is "on time".

I am not sure what she does if they want to go out for a day out. Presumably kidnaps her and puts her in the boot of the car and drives to the destination to save arguments.

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emotionsecho · 31/08/2015 20:11

Drastic but understadableGrin

emotionsecho · 31/08/2015 20:12

and that should say understandable.

ExasperatedAlmostAlways · 31/08/2015 20:25

Do you always socialise with her with your husband?

Did she suggest she meet up with you and the kids and your DH?

MoleOfKingTyre · 31/08/2015 20:32

Yes, the day out was her idea. I think she needed us to organise it for her as she does not know the town concerned. She kept saying "I've got no idea where I am!" when we were walking. (I would have been delighted if she'd done some research on google earth beforehand rather than relying completely on us.)

We socialise in a mixture of different ways. Sometimes just I pop out in the evening to go for a meal/theatre with her. Sometimes she comes to us for a meal when the kids are asleep. If we meet up on a weekend we take the kids too.

Obviously when it's just me and DH we can give her more attention. I think she prefers that.

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