to want to know what the hell ISIS told the London mother?

[BloodyLeadStuckInSharpener]

What would persuade someone to take their precious children and join ISIS? I am genuinely curious. From this story - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34095120

The children, I asssume, will be all geared up for a trip/holiday and may well be excited.

It makes me feel sick to think about the 9 year old girl Safiyyah, how long until she is raped? Picture of her in her little pink coat and pink bag - she looks so young and innocent.

WHY would a mother do this? I am actually asking! HOW do ISIS persuade people? :(

No mention of the father/husband?
I gues if Isis are involved they told her the same as they tell everyone, but ultimately, it's her choice

How does anyone become a fanatic? When people believe strongly in something, God etc, they find justification for their actions in that religion.
There is something missing in their lives.
Nowhere in any religion does it say that one should behave cruelly towards another human being.
To me it is inexplicable that anyone would want to hurt another human being in the name of Allah or God or for any other reason. They are totally misguided.
It is true about the lead getting stuck in the sharpener. I did an exam recently and needed a pencil. I had to buy a very good quality pencil and sharpener otherwise the lead of the cheap pencils kept breaking off. Very annoying!

Maybe the mother was lonely, overwhelmed by caring for her children and they offered her a sense of belonging and community? People need support and the less caring our society becomes, the more susceptible lonely individuals will be to extremist groups.

The blog of the Quilliam Foundation include entries which examine radicalisation (and how to counter it). If you want to look, it's here:

www.quilliamfoundation.org/category/blog/

I've been wondering the same, how can anyone want to knowingly enter a country that so many others are fleeing from? Why do they think it will be different for them and their children?

Well doubt she'll be eligible to be a jihadi bride

She probably thinks she's found a religious homeland with support and a sense of belonging.
I think some people have been led to believe that it's sinful not to join the caliphate(?) if one exists.

Read Anna Erelle's In the skin of a Jhadist. It is a chilling account of how ISIS tried to persuade her to go to Syria.

Why does the woman think thousands of Syrians are desperate to leave and dying in the process? It's up to her if she wants to go, but her children don't deserve the hell that awaits them.

Is her husband maybe over there and insisted she now goes too?

Very telling that he wasn't mentioned. If not her husband then possibly family members

she sounds like one of those people who if you have been to Tenerife, she has been to Elevenerife!

woodenspoon has it. A lot of the people leaving simply want to live under the caliphate. If they believe that's what IS can give them then that's why they go. Not the same as joining IS to fight.

Oh bugger, my last comment was meant for another thread - that will teach me to have so many windows open!

They think they are better than us. Following Isis allows them to feel superior, not only to non muslims (which goes without saying) but also to other muslim women who aren't as 'devout' as them.
You see this in other groups as well, though obviously not to this extreme.

She probably thinks she's found a religious homeland with support and a sense of belonging.
I think some people have been led to believe that it's sinful not to join the caliphate(?) if one exists

This.

These people upping sticks and taking their children to join ISIS see it as an Islamic dreamland, away from the damaging and contaminating influences of Western values.

I am glad you cleared that up, BloodyLeadStuckInSharpener . What thread was it meant for? Sounds like a good one!

Seriously though, if these people were only going to IS for a sense of belonging, there are plenty of muslim countries in this world they could go to that don't tolerate terrorism and violence. They go there because they are sympathetic to the evil cause of IS. Bastards. They should track them down, bring the kids back, but leave the adults there.

I heard an Imam on the radio this morning saying he understood this woman is separated/divorced from her husband. He said it's quite possible she's been "befriended" online and convinced if she moves to the caliphate she will find a good Muslim man to marry.

I'm sure someone once told me there was something in the Koran about it being a Muslim's "duty" to join/help build a caliphate. Sadly many people seem to have taken that literally with no thought to what this particular caliphate stands for.

This may be very un-informed but having seen a map of here ISIS are thought to be likely take over in the future (a lot of the world/Europe), I guess there is a sense of it being better to belong and be in a 'religious homeland'.
It is all truly terrifying.

I think it is a good thing that anyone who believes the absolute nonsense promulgated by ISIS has left the UK. Why would we want people like that here?

It's the same reason people join gangs. A sense of belonging.A sense of family. A sense that together you can change things. A sense of them against us. Hope.

Lots of people in the UK are ignorant and racist. Often the UK media chooses to depict Islam as a backwards extremist religion. If.you were on your own with your young children in a country where everyone seems against you and your kind and someone offered you a way out, a place to live where you would be welcomed and understood would you not go?

Very few people wake up one morning and decide out if the blue to become a terrorist. It's a process.of grooming.

This women is most likely naive rather than a terrorist.

I think it is a good thing that anyone who believes the absolute nonsense promulgated by ISIS has left the UK. Why would we want people like that here?

I'm sure this sort of attitude pushes people that way as well...

Itsall That's quite a jump to imply that it is racist to not want people who support ISIS living in the UK.

And the ISIS version of Islam is a backward extremist religion.

Stripey because she took 4 children with her.

I'd have thought that was kind of obvious?

Her daughter is 9 years old, you are pleased she has been taken to whatever fate awaits her with ISIS?

Total and utter lack of compassion.

OP what on earth possessed that woman and those poor kids what will happen to them

poster - good riddance

Mind-boggling.

I imagine she will be "married" off in fairly short order. Since when do we condemn young children to fates like that on the basis of their parents beliefs? That's an attitude that would not be out of place with ISIS themselvs FFS.

That comment has really upset me. I've been thinking about that poor little girl all morning.

The mother was probably denied much education as many Muslim women are, plus they are kept sheltered and away from the real world so she was very naieve (sp?) and prob an easy target I would think. If find Muslim women's plight sad - and it is a plight to be kept under the thumb culturally by a male dictatorship & denied opportunities other women take for granted.

Its even sadder when i think back and realise the Sikh girls i went to school with all went to Uni, married the man of their choice and have happy, settled lives where they celebrate their culture but also integrate/love the UK. My town might be unusual but it makes you think there are lessons that could be learnt there if the large Sikh population there have integrated so well.