To miss the days when people were just 'thirsty'?!

[Babycham1979]

What's all this shit with, 'hydrating'? It's called drinking fucking water!

Whenever I hear someone claiming to be 'dehydrated', I want to reach for my revolver. No, dear, you're not dehydrated, you're just thirsty. It won't hurt you to wait twenty minutes for a drink.

Advanced capitalism, combined with nanny-statism seems to have fostered a nation of adult-babies who can't got five minutes without a snack, needing a piss, or a plastic bottle to suck on. It truly does my head in.

I can't remember the last time I sat through a film or a play without multiple audience members nipping out at least once during the show. Yes, I do appreciate that SOME people suffer incontinence, or might have needed a shot of insulin but, come on, not on this scale!

If you could get rid of high blood pressure by simply drinking more water, very few people would have high blood pressure.

Obviously there's always going to be special cases and people with a disability that means they need to have water on hand. But we are not talking about this, we are talking about the general have it all have it now mentality which means millions of people are suckling on these damned water bottles all the time and disrupting the lives of others as mentioned up thread. I'm so angry about this and the arrogance of the selfish people who think they have the right to impose their wants on everyone else, any time, any where , is just astonishing.

I'll tell you what's astonishing crazy lady, you being 'so angry' about people drinking water and 'disrupting your life' in ways you're yet to explain.

'special case' indeed.

If you actually want to know it works I will attempt to explain.

I am aware it's probably a disingenuous request for information, and probably an invitation to give more grist to the mill - something to argue against and scoff at, as obviously the two sets of leading specialists / teaching hospitals don't know what they are talking about.

Anyway, for anyone who wanted to know - drinking high levels of water has a positive effect on my symptoms (not cause), in a few ways eg. Increases sympathetic nervous system activity (which is fucked) plus aids constriction of blood vessels (which are fucked), plus raising blood volume (as mine is too low), all of which and a few more complex interactions work together to raise my blood pressure temporarily (rather than lowering as someone wondered).

It's not that someone else could raise their blood pressure to dangerous levels in this way, the body is a wonderful and complex ecosystem with a vast array of checks and balances which control internal functioning, so if anyone was about to leap away from liquids with horror in fear of a water induced heart attack - don't worry & keep sipping!

It's effect is temporary and delayed, for each 250ml drunk it will help my blood pressure in 15 mins time, so I sip, sorry, 'suckle', most of the day but so take specific quantities before specific activities which require non - plummeting blood pressure, eg 50ml 25-30mins before standing up (yay that super exciting activity, standing up from sitting it lying!). I also have a high salt diet to aid blood pressure, and wear those hideous flight socks as random points of interest :)

Thank you Zing

Grumpy great link :) the reply to your link is bonkers though. What on earth? Am I right in understanding that posters have rejected it? Tell me, does the human body just stop doing these things because a poster says so? Or is every doctor and biologist just plain wrong and need re-educating to ignore everything except posters with a personal point to score? As all doctors specialising in kidney function, intestinal absorption, nervous systems and neurologists etc, well, obviously they're all sponsored by Evian - sorry other bottled waters are available.

I'm sorry Sherazade it's really upsetting when people decide they know better and when peoples individual needs get ignored due to a stance on some kind of wider behaviour or trend. When people decide to go on a personal crusade to force everyone to abide by their own 'well it suits me' rule, it does effect everyone, even if that wasn't the intended effect.

That's why I am objecting to the intolerance and sweeping judgements which do effect disabled people or people with medical needs, no matter how much it's said that there is some hidden store of tolerance and understanding, reserved for 'special cases'.

tenhiet wow, what an over reaction.
Are you actually for real?

It beggars belief that this is something that people would get 'so angry' about really. I'd suggest anger management courses might be required to assist with irrational anger.

21 pages? I'm going to break the rule of a lifetime and not RTFT before saying "thank goodness all these people are taking water around with them instead of whisky". Of all the things to get excited about, how much water other people drink seems one of the most pointless. Unless they're slurping it noisily, of course, in which case - kill them all

I did read *Tenieht's" rant though - wow. OK. Could have been sarcastic of course, in which case, go for it.

It is strange that people need to drink so much nowadays. Possibly the dry air through central heating and air conditioning.

When I was little most people walked or cycled miles to my school, got a 1/3 pt of disgusting unchilled milk at 10 and no one hardly ever drank from the water fountain or ever brought drinks. We were prob fitter and healthier than the average school child now.

Yabu. I don't see how other people drinking water affects you in the slightest.

I spent my whole life being told off for drinking / weeing too much. My mother would say I couldn't possibly be thirsty all the time, it was all in my head etc. Drinking water in primary school was limited to lunch time, which was a huge struggle and source of discomfort to me.

When I was 28 I found out of that I had a heart condition that was the route cause of my thirst / bladder issues. (Basically, when blood pools in your heart because of palpitations, your body interprets the increase in pressure within the heart as an overload of liquid and produces hormones that make you want to wee. To rid yourself of excess fluid. Except there was no excess fluid. So then I would get thirsty / dehydrated).

Like I said, I didn't find out that there was a reason for my constant need for water
Until I was 28.

My point is that many, many people will have hidden medical problems that mean they get dehydrated easily. How about we leave it up to the individuals to decide whether or not they are thirsty or dehydrated?

I, for one, am glad that schools no longer restrict children's access to drinks.

You sound very controlling and judgemental OP.

What gets me is people wittering on about 'delayed gratification'. I grew up in a poor home, I know all about that. While we certainly didn't always get what we wanted to eat no one ever suggested we shouldn't drink water if we were thirsty. No, I had to come on Mumsnet to hear that one.
Unbelievable, really.

Charis - did you read it?

Sorry, posted too soon. Why do you think that the immediate treatment for excessive blood loss is fluids obviously, only mineral water from cracks plastic bottles with sports caps

why would water increase your blood volume though? except if your were drowning.

There have always been a few people with medical problem that need to drink more water ( not what GOB2 is referring to) One of my best friends has always had this. But not the whole sale suckling craze we've got now!

it's like saying there are a tiny number of people in society who need to use crutches to walk ( I mean actual physical metal crutches), but that would excuse half the population suddenly getting conned into becoming emotionally dependant on them for absolutly no physical reason what so ever, and expect the rest of us to adjust everything to accommodate them.

there would be absolutly no reason for someone who GENUINLY needed crutches to get the hump if people grumbled about all the unnecessary crutch use, would there.

Charis, it's already been explained to you. If you can't understand basic biology then just accept it.
When you go for a blood test (most tests) you are advised to drink water beforehand because it makes the veins fuller and therefore easier to draw blood.

Soory, that was just an everyday example.

Have you read the link?

It treats some of the symptoms and in an emergency is essentially a sticking plaster till you can get bloods in.

But if you disagree, we ought to tell all the medics, paramedics and redux council that they're wrong.

I'm no expert but I do have a basic knowledge, if I don't know I will read proper research and won't disregard another view till I have something to base that on.

Charis

What has it got to do with you what other people drink?

Your earlier rants have been questioned but you've yet to come back with a sensible answer. It feels as though you are at the point of folding your arms, stamping your feet and saying 'It just is!'because there is simply no logic to your point and your are coming across as very unreasonable (and slightly unhinged)

What has it got to do with you what other people drink?

as I've explained, I'm one of the poor sods that has to spend their life pussy footing round, and accommodating this pathetic suckling fad.

as I said, it will end once the court cases against the bottled water industry start, meanwhile, there is no reasoning with people with psychological addictions. sadly.so the pussy footing will continue.

Please tell me I have misread this and you don't think that high blood pressure is due to not drinking enough water

Bloody Hell, of course you've mis-read it! That's not even close to what I wrote so fuck knows how you jumped to that conclusion. I apologise if you are not talking to me (entirely possible as it's not at all what I said) but I have looked at the surrounding posts and can't see another person mentioning bp.
If you actually read what I said, I was referring to dietary sodium intake being linked to hypertension due to excess water being retained by the body, and therefore an increase in blood volume. I thought even someone who thinks catastrophes are caused by cats might have heard of that one and be able to join the dots in her head.

Why do you pussyfoot? What are you pussyfooting around?

Charis and everyone's explained how your reasons amount to "I don't like it" and so aren't reasons at all.

Stop calling it suckling. Or I might be forced to refer to your posts as bitter ignorant shite.