Withdrawing the £36 a week from families with children, whose asylum applications have been rejected is a challenge to our humanity

[Figmentofmyimagination]

We should feel ashamed.

angels the hotel local to me is housing them and has been for several months. It isn't daily mail nonsense, I see it with my own eyes every time I walk past. Best western and Britannia hotels are just two of the chains (obviously not every single branch) that are used as overflow migrant accommodation. paying guests have been complaining like crazy on trip advisor. The hotel is also used as a wedding venue and I can't imagine wanting to turn up on my wedding day to a group of migrants hanging by the entrance chatting and smoking.

Super Well I don't know what to say as I'd get flamed but I think that is shocking. I am probably not in the best mood as shortly off to jobcentre for my appointment to get £73 a week to live on. disclaimer - second week of claiming after 20 years of unbroken work.

Slightly off topic but why is it that whenever something is said that the migrant welcomers disagree with it is down to the Daily Mail making it up. You only have to watch the news, trawl the internet or read other papers to see that there is some truth in these comments.

DM knocking is getting very boring.

some of them will be staying in b&bs and hotels if they complain loudly enough remember the lassy who made headline news because she phoned ahead and said she was an illegal immigrant and expected them to have her "special" baby milk available? she also kicked off because she was expected to stay at a displaced persons centre i wonder what happened to her.....

its a situation that has got out of control and cameron feels obviously by making them feel uncomfortable in this country they will stay away and apply BEFORE they enter the country instead of after which is to be fair the correct way of doing things my friends husband was not allowed in this country for two years i believe despite being married and having a child

another friend has an aussie husband they took more than two years to decide he could come into this country he didnt know his daughter when he came here and she had bonding issues with him

point is in both cases they did it the right way round they also both work and both contribute to the uk tax system

And just to add: I would be disappointed if I turned up on my wedding day to any large group hanging around smoking by the entrance (not just migrants). But at the hotel near me most paying guests are usually in the bar or have just used the hotel as a stopover whereas the migrants are ganging around because they are living at the hotel and have nothing else to do.
And angels those migrants are getting 3 cooked meals each day provided by the hotel, no bills to pay and receive £35 each week in cash (single persons without children). They probably have more disposable cash than somebody on JSA with bills to pay and food to buy from their £73 a week.

My original comment was meant in a 'I can't believe it but I bet it is true as we are far too soft in this country' style. I am fortunate to have a decent lifestyle but do wonder what the 1 million people relying on foodbanks in this so-called rich country must make of migrants being put up in hotels,

They put asylum seekers in hotels because there is no where else - they can't work and have no other way of supporting themselves- they can't live on the streets
Normally they are housed in hostels or b+bs

Plenty of British born people are sleeping on the streets, seems to be good enough for them.

There are loads of these threads on here just now. I'd like to ask the more pro-immigration posters a question.

You all say that you don't advocate just letting all immigrants in, and you acknowledge that there are many millions of very poor, needy displaced people in the world who would love to come to Europe.

So where do you actually draw the line? And how do you reconcile your beliefs about humanity with the fact that at some finite point, you too would say 'no, we can't let you in' to a needy family?

My point being that we're not as polarised as these threads suggest. You may say you care, you have humanity, you'll give 57p etc but ultimately you too can see that we can't let all potential UK immigrants in to this country. So many will remain displaced, ill and starving.

I agree shabby and British homeless people can also be left without any benefits as they are more likely to be unable to meet JSA criteria and therefore more likely to be sanctioned.
www.homeless.org.uk/connect/news/2013/sep/23/benefit-sanctions-hitting-homeless-people-hardest-0

There are that have worked for decades in the UK being sanctioned for ridiculous reasons. eg not applying for jobs on minimum wage with massive travel costs. makes me sick. obviously the money is there somewhere

I would grant asylum to those who needed it

Most people don't want to come here - they go to Germany and Sweden and such like
I would hate to be British if we began turning away people seeking refuge

And the issue of homelessness is a real concern but not totally relevant since there are very complex reasons for long term homelessness
We house AS so they don't disappear

We have a huge, huge housing crisis. We have millions of people who are unemployed. We have a huge deficit. The last thing we need is more people coming here and being a burden, especially those who have absolutely no right to be here. Over the last 20 15-20 years there has been so much economic and societal disruption because millions of people, some with very disparate, alien cultures that are not willing to integrate, have come here. We cannot take any more, we don't need any more. There is not enough money, there are not enough schools for those already here, there is not enough housing, the NHS is strained. It's a no brainer to say that the last thing our already overcrowded, in the red, fractured island needs is more mouths to feed.

Of course they don't disappear, who would ever think they would consider doing such a thing? Maybe you should check the statistics for how many people are thought to be living here undetected.

And those that believe in unlimited immigration, what you will see is more and more people flocking to right wing parties as has happened in places like France, Germany and the Scandinavian countries. Just look at how much UKIP increased their vote in the space of 5 years! If you want riots, societal breakdown, higher taxes, destruction of working class livelihoods and communities, then vote for more immigration!

It has surely always been inevitable that the chaos of the third world would spill out and become a threat to the stability and prosperity of the first world.

I can't see any workable solution to this ?

"especially those who have absolutely no right to be here."

I only have a "right" to be here because I happened to be born to British parents. I could have been born anywhere in the world, I had no control over it. It's a random lottery of luck.

I hate the word "rights" used in this context.

I am sure church halls with beds in them and a donation to church funds could be found or empty army barracks. they do not have to be put up in hotels with 3 meals a day provided (and it is not made up - plenty of real people are writing about it on line). Also why are they smoking? Do we pay them enough to buy cigarettes?

We house AS so they don't disappear

Most only dissapear once their claim for asylum has been rejected and they no longer gave the right to be here. How many dissapear whilst they are living rent and Bill free and getting 3 free cooked meals a day with £35 per week spends on top?
Putting them in a detention centre would ensure they can't dissapear regardless of whether they are waiting fir a decision on their asylum claim or gave already had it refused. It's too easy to dissapear from a hotel on the morning you get notification that your asylum claim has been rejected. And don't repeat that we don't have enough detention centres because the amount we are spending on hotels each week could easily cover the cost of converting unused buildings into detention centres very quickly.

Kayden, yes, that tends to be how nationality and rights work. If you don't like it perhaps write to the UN or individual governments about how they construct citizenship and nationality laws. Perhaps the UK government will let everybody in if you just tell them that it is all about luck and it's not fair?

cabbage Interesting that you have assumed I am suggesting "let everyone in" especially as that's is not my view at all. Anyway, it says a lot about you in your terminology. We can have humanity and kindness when talking about and exerting our "rights"' Ultimately, these people are human beings. There is a lot of 'othering' on these threads which makes me uncomfortable. You don't have to lack compassion, even if you have genuine concerns about the sustainability of the situation.

To Figmentofmyimagination: you obviously will be fostering some of the 'children' under eighteen that Kent Social Services can no longer accomodate, and offering financial support to these dispossessed families to help them.
A practical way to put your principles into practice.

Detention centres have been a roaring success in Australia, women and children sexually abused, extortion, physical violence, no medical or education facilities for years on end, poor buggers were probably better off being politically persecuted, is that what we really want for humanity ?

I come from one of the European countries ( hence my name) and UK is known for giving out benefits, general handouts and country where you can complain and you get things. I am just stating what is actually known all around Europe and looks like everywhere else.
I live and work here 16 years. I always paid my duty to government and I can't imagine someone coming here just to take part of the money that me and my DH paying in taxes. Makes me furious.
It's very sensitive subject but people of UK are too good,too kind, too generous, too understanding and lots of ppl are using that in their own advances.
I feel sorry sometimes for natives of UK cause somehow you always suffer while immigrants ( obviusly different types- illegal, failed asylum seekers, asylum seekers etc) are somehow having more rights than locals.

Law of asylum is clear you look for asylum in the first safe country you reach after leaving your country! Is it happening here ? No! And what is more interesting somehow they are even considered for asylum. No that is wrong!they passed at least 4-5 safe countries to reach UK! What is all that about?!