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To be worried about dd having the Cervical cancer jab after the fuss about it on here the other day

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Supervet · 01/08/2015 03:07

DD is due to have it shortly in school.
I had not heard anything about it and presumed she would have it because cervical cancer is horrid.

Now I am really worried because there was lots of fuss over it the other day on here with many comments about serious side effects. I have now read it has been banned in Japan and there are worries elsewhere.

Can anyone point me in the right direction of accurate none scare mongering information or does anyone have any medical experience in relation to this?

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TheRealAmyLee · 01/08/2015 09:08

I'm very pro vac. All vaccines have to go through crazy amounts of tests before they are approved for use. Any medication carries a risk but other meds we just blindly accept that. The diseases these vaccines will prevent are far worse than any side effect and far more common. Look at last years measles outbreaks. That spread like wildfire amongst the unvaccinated. Also some kids can't be vaccinated due to other medical issues. These kids would be most at risk of complications from diseases. By vaccinating your kids you are also helping protect vulnerable kids.

With this specific vaccine go research cervical cancer stats. Jade Goody is the most high profile CC death but there are many more. Some CC deaths are of girls barely in their 20's. CC can also have huge effects on fertility and treatment is always invasive. To me any minute risk far outweighs the imo much greater risks CC has.

Idefix · 01/08/2015 09:09

Dd who has a variety of medical conditions has had the jab -two years ago with zero side effects. Seriously considering it for my son also.

In my work role I see the effects of hpv on a regular basis, not always successfully treated first time and often leads to years of invasive medical procedures and uncertainty.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 01/08/2015 09:13

IIRC Japan have a history of banning stuff for no particular reason.

I'm sure the Danish scientists do have some awareness of statistics, which is why they have said the study is not evidence of the HPV vaccine causing POTS. There is no way you can draw a conclusion from the Danish study. It isn't really that sort of study.

drbadbride · 01/08/2015 09:15

The real scandal of the HPV vaccine is how caring parents have been worried about or scared off letting their daughters have this safe and effective vaccine by ignorant, misogynistic twats on the internet. The sort of misogynistic twats who can't stand the idea of young women taking control of their sexual health and protecting themselves against a horrible sexually transmitted disease, and so spread stories about the vaccine making young women "promiscuous" (which it doesn't), and when that didn't work, fanned the flames of unfounded health scares.

OP, by all means research the vaccine before making your decision. But step away from the likes of Facebook and the blogosphere and check out the careful scientific reviews that have been done on the many safety and efficacy trials performed on these vaccines. The CDC has a good summary here:www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/hpv_faqs.html

The Worlf Health Organization recently issued a statment underlining the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, although it's not the most accessible text I've ever read:www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/hpv/GACVS_Statement_HPV_12_Mar_2014.pdf

If you're up through plouging through medical journal text, here's a recent review of the long-term ssafety studies, which says, "All randomized controlled clinical trials of the bHPV and the qHPV vaccines provide evidence of an excellent safety profile."www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4262378/#b65-ijwh-6-999

JaWellNoFine · 01/08/2015 09:19

I didn't let DD have it. I am all for vaccination against contagious diseases. Cancer isn't contagious. There is no way I would give my Dd this until here was at least 20 years substantiated evidence that it was safe with no side effects.

But then again I don't trust the pharmaceutical companies and don't have great faith in the medical community as a whole. They are not interested in your health, only money. They'll all tell you it's safe. How else would they sell it En masse to governments around the world.

I am sure there are dedicated people in these professions, who do care, but the pharmaceutical companies are not about your health. They are about profit.

DoctorDonnaNoble · 01/08/2015 09:23

Cervical cancer is often (not always) caused to HPV which IS contagious, hence the vaccine!

JaWellNoFine · 01/08/2015 09:23

And yes. I am slowly losing faith in humanity.... Is that obvious? So it's possible I am irrational

ButterflyUpSoHigh · 01/08/2015 09:25

The poor girl that died lived very local to me. I remember the outrage at the time. It was proven afterwards it was nothing to do with the injection.

My dd1 will be having it this year.

GinAndSonic · 01/08/2015 09:29

Can you pay privately for boys to get it?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 01/08/2015 09:31

Should be able to Gin. Not sure how much it costs though.

BeyondTheWall · 01/08/2015 09:36

As i pointed out on that thread, my health shot down from teenage age and i am now a wheelchair user. It took til 29 to be officially diagnosed with what was causing the problem. Major difference is, i am too old to have had the hpv jab. Had i had the jab, no doubt i would be blaming it. But shit happens, sometimes people are Just Ill.

(Interestingly re the danish thing, i was a dancer when i first became ill)

Itsbloodyraining · 01/08/2015 09:37

Thanks Beaky and Supervet. I only remembered the huge panic and not that she had an existing tumour. I wasn't intentionally scaremongering.

Verbena37 · 01/08/2015 09:37

I have my lower my dad to have it. There was us and one other family in her school yr that chose not to have it.

Me and the other mum (independently) massively researched the vaccine and its history (scholarly research not the DM and decided it was obvious that our children should not have it.

This wasn't just a quick Google and a decision made. This was weeks and weeks of research and getting informed....along with discussions with our partners and daughters.

That was our choice. We didn't try and influence others....there was no point.
It was their choice to have it or not.

halfacup · 01/08/2015 09:39

My daughter had it at around 14 we discussed it and I let her read about it to make an informed choice, she intimately made the decision herself. I considered that as it was her body it should be her choice too. If you don't want your daughter to have it fair enough, she can just make her own decision once she is 16.

Verbena37 · 01/08/2015 09:40

Also, I wrote a long letter to the HPs giving the vaccine, stating my research findings and reasons (as did the other mum).
We were not contacted or asked/told our children should have it.

BeyondTheWall · 01/08/2015 09:40

Also interesting (to me, perhaps not to others), a large chunk of women (my own anecdata) who are later diagnosed with EDS (what i have) are very sporty as children - dancers, gymnasts, runners - as the bendiness that becomes a problem is advantageous in these activities. They then find that the hormones in puberty make their health worse and then many find that they become even worse when they become pregnant, again because of the hormone change.

SuburbanRhonda · 01/08/2015 09:45

My dd is only 9 so a while til she gets it.. but I will be thoroughly researching it first. I first doubted if I'd get it after I saw drs discussing it on tv

It won't be you getting it though, will it? It will be your DD. Maybe she'll want to decide for herself if she's properly informed of the facts.

jamdonut · 01/08/2015 09:46

No problem for my daughter or any of her cohort when they had it. And there have not been any reported problems since then.

It's like all medical intervention... Every now and again someone has a bad reaction.

I don't think the risk of this happening is high enough to warrant not having it, personally. But obviously that's your choice and a chance you take.

sashh · 01/08/2015 09:47

A girl died from having it in our local school, so I think it has affected me more than it perhaps would have.

Er I only know of one girl who died after the vaccination, she had an undiagnosed tumour in her heart that had spread to her lung.

There is more profit selling chemo drugs to people with cancer than in vaccinations.

Can you pay privately for boys to get it

Yes at least one person on mn has done just that.

Quiero · 01/08/2015 09:50

One of my closest friends' DD became very, very unwell within days of receiving the vaccine. She was sent home from school an hour after receiving it as her arm swelled and she felt unwell. Two days later she stopped eating and within 3 months she had to be tube fed. 5 years on she has CFS and cannot do any of the things she had hoped to do. It's heartbreaking.

Of course this could be a total coincidence but I can totally understand why my friend firmly believes the vaccine was to blame, especially when symptoms are so similar amongst other girls. The consultant even agreed it needed to be investigated it and raised it.

I am firmly pro vac and if I heard this tale distantly I probably wouldn't pay much mind and would go with the Government studies etc. However, when it's someone so close to you, it's hard to ignore. Even with my rational mind and after reading the studies etc, nothing will persuade me that that vaccine is totally safe and my DD won't be having it.

drbadbride · 01/08/2015 09:51

But then again I don't trust the pharmaceutical companies .... They are not interested in your health, only money...

Substitute "natural health websites that peddle scare stories about vaccines" for "pharmaceutical companies" in the above quote and I will agree with you completely

jamdonut · 01/08/2015 09:51

Or, as others have said, leave it till your daughter can make her own decision , at 16.

lljkk · 01/08/2015 09:51

micro-organisms cause or encourage about 20% of all fatal cancers. Google 'Oncogenic' microbes. There is so much more to learn in understanding how. Globalisation means that some microbes (that get into people) are evolving faster than they used to because they have more opportunities for transmission & new mutations. So new germ versions are popping up all the time.

I often wonder if microbes are heavily implicated in some immune system disorders (like Type 1 diabetes). Not my field of expertise, just could partly explain why there's a rise in such conditions.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 01/08/2015 09:59

Children don't need to be 16 to make their own medical decisions. They just need to be Gillick competent. If your NT 13 or 14 year old decides they want the vaccine and you disagree, there is likely to be nothing you can do about preventing them getting it. Legally it's their decision not yours.

ValancyJane · 01/08/2015 10:05

YANBU to research it, but (despite being terrified of needles) I think the benefits massively outweigh the risks, and quite honestly I wish it had been around when I was a teen. If I have a DD I would definitely consent.

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