To Think That Everyone Of Pakistani/South Asian Descent Should Be Outraged At This Racist Daily Mail Story.

[CarolPatell1967]

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3162989/The-brave-woman-dares-shatter-toxic-taboo.html

As a Pakistani (with no inbreeding as far as i know) with a disabled child this racism sickens me.

The daily mail have used a brown south asian lady to be racist to her own people.

A google search shows Daily Mail have an obsession with this topic.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392217/Muslim-outrage-professor-Steve-Jones-warns-inbreeding-risks.html

Their are a few more articles all saying the same thing.

Im used to the Daily Mail smearing/hating muslims (particularly Pakistani muslims) but to mention genetics feels a bit Hitlerish.

Don't read DM but family member told me of article.

You're right Rubbish, I can only find a guy called Yunis?!

Sorry, off topic I know

It is a huge issue and what was reported isn't racist.

Im also married into a culture where cousins marry cousins though its not within the Uk and we have a much larger population of children born with disabilities than cultures where cousins don't intermarry.

The daily mail have used a brown south asian lady to be racist to her own people

She's a Peer in the HoL running her own campaign which the DM are covering.

Hardly a DM puppet or dupe.

My DP's non muslim parents were first cousins. My DP has a genetic disability due to this. It is an issue.

The tone of the story is typically Daily Mail, but the fact is there is a problem with marrying within their own families in some Muslim communities.

Unless you can provide statistical evidence proving otherwise OP, I'd say your outraged at completely the wrong issue.

By the way, why are you picking on the Daily Mail when so many other papers carried the same story?

Link to Daily Express

@ that Worra

presumably the OP is not using her real name and year of birth, at least I hope not!

close intermarriage is risky. Somebody mentioned the Ashkenazi Jews; there is a Jewish organisation which tests people at a young age for a database. This can later be used by those considering marriage.

founded by someone who lost four children to Tay-Sachs. Controversial, but not racist as I see it.

and yes, a problem for royalty right back to the Egyptians, although they were rather extreme with siblings marrying.

Baroness Deech has addressed the perception that discussing the issue is racist OP;

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7497906/Baroness-Deech-Risks-of-cousin-marriage-not-discussed-for-fear-of-offending-Muslims.html

And Mormons. Mormon problem too.

Also, hillbillies. The ones in North Carolina, that sort.

Not many of those round here though, or Mormons.

OP, look up a definition of racism/racist. That article is not racist. It just highlights very significant statistics. It is an inescapable FACT that marrying blood relatives increases the risk of congenital diseases/disabiliteis, and also a FACT that in some Pakistani communities the incidence of marrying blood relatives is very high. These 2 things ARE linked, not just a coincidence.

It does not say all British Pakistani people marry their cousins or deserve to have children with disabilities or anything else derogatory about them. It is a serious matter that needs discussing.

It is no different than saying there is a higher incidence of cot death among families where the parents smoke.

Not racist at all. Radio 4 did an excellent series Born in Bradford that documented the heartbreak that some of these poor families have suffered seeing children born with genetic diseases many of whom have died. Education and legislation is the way forward in this area, it cannot continue to occur in the UK. The emotional toll on the families and the vast cost to the NHS of this dreadful practice of inbreeding just can't continue. We don't allow it in zoo animal so it definitely shouldn't be allowed in humans.

Your opinion is that it is not a problem. Your opinion is wrong.
So why would anyone listen to your opinion on tne rest of it?

Its not racist to point out a problem that occurs more often in a particular race.

This isn't even news - know lots of medics and nurses/midwives who'd have told you the same thing years ago!

There are equivalent held views on some white British communities by healthcare professionals too, so the Pakistani community isn't singled out!

This has been an issue for years.In fact at our local hospital they ask if you are related to your partner.

But I can see how the daily mail context can twist things.

This is a serious issue within the Pakistani community in the UK. It is not racist to highlight this. The DM however, is not all that concerned about the issue as such, it just wants its readers to look down their noses at Pakistanis and this is their latest 'cause'.

I still don't see why it was vital to read this article - i still havent clicked it!

But it isnt racist?
It isn't saying ALL Pakistani children who have disabilities are caused by inbreeding, just that it is a huge issue.
It's touched a nerve with you but it isn't saying that all people born with disabilities is due to this.
This is an issue that needs highlighting though.

This isn't racist OP. But it is an important issue that needs addressing. Some conditions are more common in families where consanguineous relationships exist. There are certain communities in which this is more common practice than others. Those communities have higher incidence of those conditions.

I have some (non clinical) experience of working with NHS services treating a specific group of rare genetic conditions. The nationality/ethnic make up of the patient cohort was not reflective of the UK as a whole, not by any means. A few small groups were very very significantly over represented. That was unfortunately due to the practise of marrying blood relatives.

does she not mention Turkish families too or Bangladeshi's, Sri Lankans ??

Indian woman of influence damns Pakistani people

oh I think there is some prejudice going on here

OP unlikely to come back. Wanted to throw in a "this is racist" firework and wait for the explosions.

Hurray, most MNers are sensible, logical and see what OP is doing. An interesting discussion might ensue.

It is a crucial issue as it leads to so much pain and heartbreak so it really must be discussed. We know a lot more about the causes of disease now than we used to - let's use that to help people.

yes it is something that needs to be discussed and people need to be educated

but this is not just an issue within the Pakistani community maybe that could have been pointed out without actually naming particular communities as such

there is not a day that goes by when muslims are not having to explain themselves in some way there are better ways to address issues than just damning people

This is widely accepted and if it doesn't agree with "your opinion" then your opinion is wrong. I'm fed up with the professionally offended trying to hide truths and close down all debate in the name of racism/sexism/classism etc.

Debate in this situation will raise awareness and help future children who are
more important than the sensitivities of those who would prefer to ignore the dangers.