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To already be fed up with teachers/eduaction workers posting about their long holiday!

815 replies

Freshlysqueezed · 17/07/2015 19:26

Facebook is swarming with people saying how much they deserve it and other people patting them on the back. It seems like the world and his wife are in education or SAHM's with 6 glorious weeks ahead of them. Apart from a one week holiday I have a juggling timetable of various childcare arrangements to run to and fro from.

OP posts:

CultureSucksDownWords · 17/07/2015 22:15

Are there any public sector employees who you think do a good job Ellie? Or are they all sub-standard?

Should people who can't afford private school and healthcare not have children?

echt · 17/07/2015 22:17

What is your evidence for the fall in standards, Ellie?

EllieFAntspoo · 17/07/2015 22:18

... how would they pay for it?
By printing money, the way all governments pay for things.

DadOnIce · 17/07/2015 22:21

Always good to remind people that the holidays are not covered by the salary as well. Makes some people's heads explode, that one. They can't seem to grasp the (really very simple) concept of being paid for the number of days you work and having it divided into 12 equal chunks for ease of admin.

If it wasn't, school finance offices would have a nightmare paying people different amounts in each pay-packet.

Connected to that, anyone who wants to reduce the school holidays should be thinking long and hard about whether they, as a taxpayer, would be prepared to pay for the extra staffing days this would entail :)

CultureSucksDownWords · 17/07/2015 22:24

I think people assume that you would just be able to make teachers do more days without changing their pay. Which would obviously be fine as all teachers are moaning work-shy toerags who don't know how lucky they are not to work in the real world.

EllieFAntspoo · 17/07/2015 22:25

Should people who can't afford private school and healthcare not have children?
People should do as they please. What they should not do is complain when someone is doing their job for them, so they don't have to. If you have children, you take on the responsibility of raising, feeding, nurturing and educating those children. If you decide you are not going to take responsibility for that, and palm off those responsibilities to the state, you really have no right to complain at all.

DadOnIce · 17/07/2015 22:26

Culture - I fear that is exactly what some people think would happen. One hopes the unions would not allow it.

sonjadog · 17/07/2015 22:27

Governments can't just print more money whenever they need it, Ellie. It doesn't work like that.

AsBrightAsAJewel · 17/07/2015 22:28

By printing money, the way all governments pay for things. Quick send Greece some paper and printing ink = debt problem solved! Why didn't we all think of that!

EllieFAntspoo · 17/07/2015 22:30

If it wasn't, school finance offices would have a nightmare paying people different amounts in each pay-packet.

You mean like in the real world?
Could they not employ staff who can count?
Or even teach the ones they have, if they have staff who can teach maths.

CalleighDoodle · 17/07/2015 22:31

DadOnIce maybe the attack on the unions is the first step in getting teachers working an extra six weeks for no pay.

EllieFAntspoo · 17/07/2015 22:32

Why didn't we all think of that!
We did. We invented it. Not a history teacher then?

WoonerismSpit · 17/07/2015 22:33

I've only been back for 2 weeks from maternity leave, off for 7 now

DadOnIce · 17/07/2015 22:36

Paying the same person a different amount each month.

Not paying different people different amounts according to their jobs, which happens everywhere.

Duuuhhhh.

EllieFAntspoo · 17/07/2015 22:39

Governments can't just print more money whenever they need it, Ellie. It doesn't work like that. Yes it does. That's where inflation comes from. Have you any idea how many billions of pounds have been printed in the UK to pay for the state apparatus over the past four years? That is why your money today buys less than it bought last year, or the year before. Bread doesn't go up in value. We don't get less efficient at brewing beer. Our money shrinks because we keep printing more and more of it, inflating its value away.

Seriouslyffs · 17/07/2015 22:41

I'm having a week off over the summer holidays- my teenage dcs are holidaying and doing courses without me and lots of lie ins and partying and xboxing
I would not return to teaching for all the tea in China. I loved it, but it was relentless. I needed every minute of the holidays.

FlatWhiteToGo · 17/07/2015 22:42

Nobody's suggesting holidays should be cut. If the government introduced that they almost certainly would not increase salaries for teachers. They make doctors, nurses etc work longer hours for no additional pay and they have run legal aid lawyers into the ground. They have done this to a number of professions and I for one would never want to see this happen to teachers as well. I am sure some on here will somehow twist that though.

Yes - non-teachers do understand the concept of unpaid leave but being paid over 12 months. It's irrelevant. A salary is a salary whether you're paid every week, every month or every year. You can either see it as teachers getting a decent salary for 9 months but suffering for the remaining 3 months of the year, or you can see teachers as getting a more modest salary over 12 month. Salary isn't in question here: teachers aren't paid well and they aren't paid badly. This is the same with all but a minority of jobs.

From my post before: if I get a total of 4 days off in a 3 month period (during which I am not paid overtime; I am expected to get on with it, and in which I am made to cancel my holiday) and I am in a terrible physical and mental state at the end of that period, if I then say to my teacher friends that I am struggling and they respond "you don't know anything about stress: try being a teacher", can you not see that they are clearly stating that they think their job is harder and more stressful than mine?

EllieFAntspoo · 17/07/2015 22:43

Paying the same person a different amount each month.

Geez. I can't for the life of me think of any jobs where a person might get paid a different amounts each month based on the hours they work. Anyone got an idea so Dad here can compare? Anyone.... Anyone....

LovelyFriend · 17/07/2015 22:46

I am happy for each and every day/week holiday teachers have over the summer and throughout the year for that matter.

I hope they have a wonderful break, recharge their batteries fully, and come back ready to do a great job for another year in September.

Ellie if I don't send my DC to school the State will send me to jail!

echt · 17/07/2015 22:47

Still waiting for your evidence of declining standards in education.

OwlinaTree · 17/07/2015 22:48

Oh Ellie pack it in.

LokiBear · 17/07/2015 22:49

Flat - your situation is personal. The teachers that you know are idiots. I'd never say that to anyone. My job is hard. I hate the way that education is constantly vilified in the media. However, my job is hard... but I couldn't possibly compare to yours. I would always wish you a well deserved break though.

CultureSucksDownWords · 17/07/2015 22:49

FlatWhite, it means that your friends who said that to you were being shit friends. It doesn't mean that all teachers think that their job is harder than everyone else's. That's clearly not true. I hope you told your friends not to be so unsympathetic and then dropped them. No one needs friends like that.

It doesn't have to be a competition and a race to the bottom. Teachers ought to be able to talk about the stresses of teaching (whether minor or major) without other people jumping to the conclusion that teachers are saying their job is worse than all others.

Murfles · 17/07/2015 22:51

I love my summer holidays. I work well over the hours I'm contracted to do all year round so enjoy 6 weeks off. You sound a tad jealous OP!

LumpySpacedPrincess · 17/07/2015 22:51

Because the government won't leave teachers alone to teach and insist on moving goal posts, making children learn more and more complex things at a young age and so on.

Surely you can just stamp your foot and demand higher standards?

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