To wish Mhairi Black was PM?

[Littlefluffyclouds81]

www.itv.com/news/2015-07-14/mhairi-black-20-year-old-mps-maiden-speech-pulls-no-punches/

She is amazing. Her speech made me cry. She may be young but she talks such sense and has so much passion. If only the House of Commons contained more people like her.

[Littlefluffyclouds81]

No I'm from about the most southernmost part of England. I admit, I have never been too interested in Scottish politics as it has no relevance to me. But Black is sitting in the UK parliament, and what she is saying seems highly relevant to the whole of the UK, not just Scotland.

[Kardamyli]

Me too Hassled. It is beautiful isn't it! Though maybe I don't quite wish I was living in Greece right now.

[Kardamyli]

little if you'd had to suffer the SNP for the last eight years you might not be quite so keen. Perhaps you could all adopt her? She could stand for parliament somewhere in England!

[Littlefluffyclouds81]

kardamyli, I'm not sure where I'd put her if I actually personally adopted her. She could bunk in with dd1, I guess.

[Jaeme]

YABU.

She has very little experience. Very little life experience.
IIRC was one of 'the 56' flouting rules and traditions in the commons and acting like a loudmouth. She is like most other politicians - talks a good game. She's yet to actually do anything worthwhile.

[hibbledibble]

I think kardamyli likes to have the polar opposite opinion to everyone else, just to be controversial.

[UncertainSmile]

I'd rather have put up with the SNP for the past few years, rather than the fucking Tories.

[UrbanSunday]

I agree with Kardamyli. The SNP has had a significant amount of power in Scotland for a number of years now and what have they actually got to show for it? It is similar to here in Wales. Many powers have been devolved to the welsh assembly which has been dominated by Labour leadership. What have we got to show for it? Longer nhs waiting lists, failing hospitals and our children perform less well at all stages of education.

That is not to say that M Black won't turn out to be a good MP - she certainly seems to be a good orator - but that speech would have been carefully crafted for her by speech writers. The ideals may be very sound but the SNP have been given every opportunity at devolved level in Scotland and failed to deliver.

[TheBossness]

I'm from Paisley and I'm definitely not a weegie

[SantasLittleMonkeyButler]

Well, I like her. I think, and hope, she has a good future ahead of her. Of course one 20 year old MP can't change anything on her own, but her speech was a great start.

I've yet to find an MP who actually represents my thoughts & opinions (my own MP certainly does not). Mhairi Black's speech came as close as any, and closer than most TBH.

[WhereYouLeftIt]

No, she's not a feckin' weegie - if you're from Paisley you are a Buddie.

SantanaLopez Tue 14-Jul-15 21:38:22
"At a post-referendum rally, Black described being at the count and walking past “all these fatcat Labour councillors goading us, clapping sarcastically, saying ‘better luck next time’ or ‘hard lines’. It took everything, every fibre in my being, not to put the nut in one of them.” "
As someone who has, in the past, had some exposure to these same complacent councillors - it was oft said in Paisley that if they put a red rosette on a monkey it would be elected - I can only concur with Ms Black.

I am a Buddie.

[APlaceOnTheCouch]

I thought her Tony Benn quote was very apt considering Harriet Harman was justifying her support of the cuts by saying she (Harriet) had to listen to the people/country and they had voted conservative . It's a bizarre situation when the Labour party's approach to policy seems to be 'we'll agree with the Conservatives because they won the election'. It leaves us with no working opposition except the SNP.

I'm not the biggest fan of Mhairi Black but I'm glad she is there as I'd like to see the HoC becoming more representative, and I think there should be more young people on the benches.

[OhSoNamechanged]

To people who think she needs more experience of life - what, like Hamface and all his cronies? What do they know about life as lived by most? They might have been alive for more years than a 20 year old but I doubt they have managed to learn much about living on minimum wage or dealing with bailiffs in that time.

[Pipbin]

I don't know a huge amount about her, and there is much about the SNP that I disagree with but I am very glad to see a young woman in the HoC rather than another stuffed shirt.
Yes at 20 she is lacking in life experience, but I suggest that so are the MPs that went from private education to Oxbridge ending up in the HoC even if they are twice her age.

[Kardamyli]

Not at all hibble. My opinions are not held for the purposes of being controversial.

In the case of the SNP my opinion is that I cannot stand them - they are truly a useless shower of shite!

All the English people on this thread, please, please take Mhairi black (and any other SNP MPs you take a shine to) away. You'll soon be sick and tired of them harping on about independence.

[lem73]

Hamface I'm assuming is Cameron? I am a Tory but really am sick of the number of politicians across the spectrum with more real life experience.

[Kardamyli]

No need to resort to childish name calling OHSo, it weakens anything else you might have had to say.

I could equally call MB sausage roll face, but that would just be infantile so I wont.

[SantasLittleMonkeyButler]

Kardamyli OK, I'll take Mhairi Black as my MP, but you'll have to take mine in return.

Just a word of warning "Fabby" may be his nickname, but it's certainly no description of his work.

[EllaBella1]

The snp don't want to fix or improve anything. They want to sit back and blame Westminster. Scotland voted no. The snp need to get over it and move on

[Kardamyli]

And p.s. She has no experience of living on minimum wage or bailiffs (those would be sheriff officers in Scotland) one of her parents was a teacher, so she didn't exactly grow up in poverty.

[Downtheroadfirstonleft]

I think she's more hot air than idealism.

[SantanaLopez]

She has no experience of living on minimum wage or bailiffs (those would be sheriff officers in Scotland) one of her parents was a teacher, so she didn't exactly grow up in poverty.

Silly Kardamyli. Little details like that don't actually mattered when you have a hammed up Buddie accent and A True Love of Bonny Scotland.

[SantanaLopez]

Mattered? Bedtime for me!

[APlaceOnTheCouch]

You'll soon be sick and tired of them harping on about independence.
Or they might not . . . they might be like the many and increasing number of people who vote for the SNP year on year.

It's clear you dislike the SNP Kardamyli but surely even you can see that it's odd you consider all of Scotland's problems to have been created in the last 8 years .

Consecutive Labour and Conservative WM governments, and local Labour councils, were happy to preside over budgets and administrations that left parts of Scotland with life expectancy rates that were lower than parts of Africa.

The SNP hasn't fixed everything (and has even created some new issues with the central police force imo) but it definitely didn't cause all the problems in Scotland and in the context of how long Scotland has been suffering with inequality and deprivation, I think it's unrealistic to expect the SNP to have turned the tide in 8 short years.

[TheChandler]

One of the most irritating, and repetitive tendencies to come apparent from the Referendum was this hero worshipping of politicians thing in Scotland. Its based on very low expectations - they don't have to achieve any results, just be loud and shouty and dot the magic words - "more fair and equal", "socialism", "all" "Tory toffs/scum", "Westminster is bad", and so on, around enough. They are then proclaimed as folk heros, saviours of the Scottish folk and all round saints to be.

Fortunately, they also tend to go out of favour after a few years once they've achieved a position of power and achieved not very much. It used to be Labour politicians not very long ago that were treated in the same venerated manner, and before that I'm told it was Conservatives.

FWIW there are far more talented and passionate people doing useful jobs in Scotland, without all the attention seeking, tv cameras and MP's salaries.

Agree that the SNP are proving to be spectacularly unimpressive on the Scottish economy (damaged by the Referendum), local authority services and administration, cuts in government services and the catastrophic failings of Police Scotland. They simply come across as very amateurish and mostly incompetent in practice, away from all the speeches.