To not want a child who has been expelled for serious physical offences in my child's class?

[Iguanaleader]

Name changed of obvious reasons.

Child has stabbed a teacher with a compass, threatened a teacher with a knife at previous school (we know someone there and child is open about it) and generally swears and spits at staff and is disruptive in lessons.

Child has been at my child's school two days and has already spat in a teachers face and is very disruptive in lessons.

My child has sn including hypersensitivity and came home and cried last night because a) dc1 is frightened and the child is parading round the classroom correcting children's work, shouting etc and b) the noise physically hurts to dc.

I know they have to recieve an education but surely if a child is expelled from a school for physical violence there are more suitable options than just banging them into another class in another school where they will no doubt be expelled and shifted on again.

It's not fair on the child being expelled or anyone else in the class.

I know iabu but would you honestly want them someone who had threatened someone with a knife and physically attacked teachers in your children's class?

Camelhump thats like using a bandaid to dress a big cut. Its not helping the child one bit, being passed round like a toy, can further exacerbate their behaviour, feelings of being unwanted, self fulfilling prophecy. More needs to be done to address the child's needs, not passing the issue round from school to school.

Unless the child has a parent fighting for them, then the LEA will continue to force schools to take children that they cannot cope with, as well as doing the child a huge disservice and costing more in the long run (prison, unemployment etc)

I agree that most parents are lovely and are trying their best, and of course you get parents who don't give a fuck or parents who are so downtrodden or depressed or have special needs themselves that they simply cannot look after their children and these kids do rule the house, pick and choose when they go to school, roam shopping centres and parks all day.

We have a 12 week limit at the PRU however we have had kids with us for 2 years, they have been to every school in the area and no school will have them back. We are a dumping ground.

I'm not a teacher btw, I work with the children and families and get to know the families very well. As I said, most are trying so much however some are not helping their kids at all

My ds with ASD was very violent in school and an absconder, regularly escaping the school grounds into inner city London.

I removed him to home educate. Within months those behaviours were gone. For some children with SN going to school is like entering a war zone daily, they just cannot cope in that environment and they just shouldn't be there for everyone's sake.

We are lucky that HE was an option. It's absolutely tragic how many children with SN are falling through the net, damaging themselves and everyone around them on the way down.

Let me clarify. I do blame the schools in a large part for my situation. The school I removed her from refused to acknowledge bullying was happening. Even when she was dragged to floor by her hair. The cutest we got was 'hmm this could turn into bullying' , thete never recorded anything and denied anything had happened. Until we removed her and complained to the council.

The school she was at, did not inform us that a child that was assaulted dd was being moved into the school. Her old HT, new HT and another woman (who we still cant find out a name to) took dd into a room the day he started and tried to convince her what she experienced wasn't bullying.

At the new school the first few instanaces weren't recorded until they realised I wouldnt take their word for it. They never stook to his plan for consequences, informing their teacher if he abused dd etc. one teacher even told her to stop telling tales when he kicked her in the stomach. Because of the both schools refusal to do anything. We involved the police. Who stepped in. We also had to speak to the governors. During one meeting the Head teachers brought in their union rep. Who ended up siding with us.

In regards to the boy. He does target certain children. He targeted dd, after the last assault he threatened to kill her if she told on him. He no longer a targets dd since the police involvement. And started on another child smaller than him. His 1-2-1 does not attend transition days to the secondary school. Where he has been in 4 fights on 3 visits. The secondary school told me last week they had not been informed of any of the problems encountered. Either from the point of view of my dd safety or helping this boy.

Yes I do blame the schools, I also blame his parents who keep banging on about his rights while not giving a shit about what rights other kids have.

I know the school is probably being heavily pressurised into keeping this boy, but they need to think about whether that is really in his best interests.

I suggest you get a copy of their bullying policy and then ask for an early meeting with the year head and form teacher and ask them to explain precisely what they are doing to comply with it and keep your child safe.

These kids need specialist schools dealing in behavioural issues, not being passed around like a toy. I know it's about money and funding, it's a catch 22, but unless you invest in early intervention, the cost is going to mount up later on, as well as cost to the child, who has been let down by the system.

There just aren't many schools specialising in SEMH/ challenging behaviour though Aeroflotgirl.

The large Authority I work in has NO primary provision and only has provision for boys at secondary with challenging behaviour.

I work in an SEMH secondary school and we are low in numbers. We get hardly any students in year 7, they all turn up during year 9, having been excluded and bounced around a few times leaving a very angry, hurt, rejected teenager for us to deal with.

I wish our LEA had the sense to realise that our best work (both emotionally and academically) is done with the kids we have from the start.

From personal experience that short of home educating your child there is nothing you can do to stop them placing at another mainstream school with no additional support within six weeks of a permanent exclusion. This was despite the LA agreeing to SA but because this takes 6 months ds1 had to be placed before it was completed.

I don't think permanent exclusion should automatically result in a ban from mainstream not least because different Ht's vary enormously in the speed and threshold with which they exclude but I do think it makes sense to give support to the child on re-entry to another school. In my ds's case the cause of the behaviour was SN but I think regardless of the cause of behaviour whether it be poor parenting, social problems, traumatic life events etc etc that child needs support to get it right next time.

Not surprisingly ds1's managed move lasted just three weeks (luckily at the second school he absconded rather than hurt anyone) but why put him through the trauma or run the risk of him hurting some-one else because he was not supported. He is now in a specialist school and doing very well but I do wish there had been an easier way (for him, for us, his classmates and his teachers) to get him the help he needed.

Charles we are lucky in Milton Keynes where I live, we have one fir emotional behavioural dufficulties from age 5-11 and one from 11-19years and a specialist ASD school from age 5-21, where dd goes to which are amazing. More are certainly needed, money needs to be invested in these kids.

I would suggest scheduling a meeting with the head. And have an education specialist solicitor accompany you. Be prepared to detail the past problems your child has had with the other child and the effect the presence of the child is having now. Be sure you are calm and professional. Explain that whilst you understand that every child has a right to education, that your ONLY concern is your child's safety and security at school and that you will do WHATEVER IT TAKES (glance at solicitor) to ensure that your child has a positive learning environment. Worked for us years ago when one of our sons was being bullied. The solicitor did nothing but sit there and take notes. It cost us around $300 USD but was worth every penny.

You'd be surprised at the idea of legal action and/or publicity will do. Shame it has to be that way, but in today's world you must fight fire with fire.

Acrossthepond Problem is though, due to the pressure put on schools by LEAs, the school is just as likely to say; this is what we feel the situation is, this is what we are doing but if you aren't happy you are welcome to take your child elsewhere.

Well, then, that's when you file legal action. Of course, we're a litigious society over here and often that's the only way to get things accomplished.

The mere threat of legal action was enough to get the bully transferred out of DS's class and his schedule rearrange so that he and DS did not 'cross paths' during the day. The bully was also escorted to his school bus at the end of the day on the days DS had to ride the bus home.

And while filing your legal action which could take months if not years, your child is still there being harassed or bullied.

Most parents would just move their child in the same way that many parents of sen children home school their children. Even though the law should be on their side, it isn't worth putting your child through it.