to ask how you will be affected by the budget announcements?

[manicinsomniac]

Sorry if there's another thread about this, I can only see lots of speculative ones.

Now that it's announced ... I admit I'm struggling to get my head around it. I don't think it's as bad as I thought? I don't think it can be that good though? I don't think there's a single thing in it that affects me. I'm not sure about any of that though because I find it all quite confusing!

So, ordinary people from ordinary families/households - how are you going to be affected, if at all?

Poo, you have a stunningly simplistic view of life. Maybe from not having grown up in this country. I don't know. It may be simplistic, but it has got me where I wish to be.

If you have the ability to start with, Ellie I have never delved that some children are born with disabilities, and must endure their burdens throughout their lives. Those aside, tor the vast majority of us, we are all all born with a thirst for learning and a desire to succeed. If anything disables that start in life, it is our parents. They are responsible for our nurture and education.

Now, we can't do that for ourselves. We are limited by how we chose to respond to our environment growing up, and the are neutered by our parents decisions that we were unable to over rule or work around (or ignorant of).

But we can equip our children with the best tools we can muster for their life. If a persons television set is bigger than their bookcase, it is not the best start in life.

We as a society devalue some of those most important jobs. One of which is Carers, many do not get paid between visits. There time is deemed as being worth less than the mimim wage. I know of carers who are out the house 60 hours and are paid for 35.

How is this a fair society?

I see you have a limited knowledge on social mobility.

TalkinPeace

Ellie
I work, DH works. We stopped getting tax credits years ago.
And we have been absolutely shafted by this budget.
As have many/most of my clients.

Do, enlighten me what lessons MY kids should learn?

Without specifics it is hard to say.

one might point out that you may have born and educated by the sate and that your children and partner are likely very much the same, and that only the privileged few among us ever earn enough money to actually pay for our shares of the services we avail ourselves of over our lifetimes.

We pay a fortune in tax - six figures. I will be significantly worse off under this budget. I am most definitely a giver rather than a taker in terms of my contribution, particularly since my DCs are privately educated and have private healthcare.

Again, I am not complaining since I do believe that high earners should subsidise others, but this budget has certainly not favoured the rich as some appear to be implying. Quite the reverse in fact.

It may be simplistic

EliieFantsPoo ^^ this is the problem with pretty much everything you are saying. You seem to have swallowed an aphorisms dictionary.

Every person is born with the ability to learn, work hard, aspire, create. To what extent they can achieve depends on many factors - physical ability, mental development etc etc.

Whether some of it is down to nature or nurture is debatable till the cows come home. Some people are cleverer than others. Some have more ambition than others. Some parents succeed in pushing their children out of the poverty to which they were born, some cannot succeed, some do not try. The same goes for every "class" of society. Gene pool, parenting, location, education, luck.......

The point is, ultimately life is what we make it. With some exceptions we are dealt a hand and it is up to each individual to do what they can with the life they have. Yes, it can be shit sometimes. Of course - that is life, nothing is ever easy.

Oh fuck it I'll get me coat.

Yep we can tell all those children on council estates at poor quality schools, with lack of access to support for additional needs. Don't worry with a little ambition or drive you can all be CEOs. Not just one outlier, nothing stopping you all doing it

I don't agree with Bm's post in its entirety pink but ask yourself honestly, if every child born between say this August and next was given exactly the same amount at birth, do you think fifty years later their lives would all be similar?

There's nothing to say a child from a council estate can't be a high earner and to imply there is is pretty surprising.

My family will be better off by between 80-260 per year, depending on the calculator. In reality, we could be quite a bit better off than that. Between us, we earn just over the amount needed to earn tax credits. My husband is a low level manager in a national catering company. He basically earns pretty much exactly the "living wage" already. Either the company will go under because it's main clientele is getting these huge cuts, or presumably he'll get a pay rise of some type to keep him above the basic employees.
None of this will make me any more likely to vote Tory in the future. Bastards.

You need to stop taking your issues out on people like me and focus on those that have unnecessarily, deliberately and selfishly bled the welfare state dry. Or move to Greece to see how life would've been if the government didn't make the cuts needed.
Oh do grow up.
And no, you don't have the right to criticise a parent, particularly when they are scared and worried about the future of their dc.

As for the other nonsense, I'm so bloody bored with saying, yes there really are some people who play the system, but the insidious little tale spun by the government is not the reality.

Alfieisnoisy

Firstly, your view of the workplace is very narrow. You seem to limit it to employer pays employee for his time and effort. Teaching children that they must work for someone else in exchange for money is incredibly narrow focused and debilitating. People with wealth do not teach their children to work for other people. They teach their children to succeed.

Secondly, education is the responsibility of the parent, not the state. A parent cannot abdicate their responsibility to their child by passing it onto the state. Anything provided by the state is a tool for parents to use in educating their children. They do not get to blame someone else if the tools provided do not meet with requirements. Education is overwhelmingly a communication mechanism. It is about time spent between parent and child communicating ideas. Yes a parent can ask someone else to do it for them, even pretend that the natural instinct to educate their child no longer exists, but the responsibility remains with the parent, not the state, and the only people who suffer if that responsibility is not taken is the parent and the child.

I do have a little experience with ASD as it happens. Life can be very rewarding.

No, I don't as wealth does not mean you won't have a child with additional needs or a disability. However, the wealthier you are the more help you can get. My dd started private tuition at 4. I can afford to support her, and give her a wealth of experiences.

I am humble enough to see that being born with the ability has meant I have been able to get to this position. Would it be as easy to offer a child the chance to succeed if they were already starting off at an unequal position if I had no money?

Ellie so what it your parents were failed at school and are unable to read or write? How do you suggest they provide this education at home?

I believe people it is egotistocal for people to say they are successful just based on hard work. There is a huge amount of luck and priviledge involved.
And the evidence for that is what?

So do we say 'oh dear, some children will never aspire to anything, let's give them lots of money to soften this particular blow'?

Apparently so lake

I have said this numerous times Ellie being born with the ability. In addition to some of thos most important careers being undervalued.

A family of 4 on 30k will lose on this budget,whereas the same size family on 60k will gain.

Lots of things can be imposed on someone....sometimes without warning such as a catastrophic illness, sometimes a long term problem. Fact is you don't always get to choose, and nobody is immune, not even YOU.
I have been through, or live with the consequences of, all but one of the examples you gave. I could throw in a few more sob stories as well, but would rather not go there. We all have crosses to bear. Some were the result of a choice earlier in life that. I thought was the right one at the time, some were a curve ball coming straight out of the blue. How I choose to deal with those issues, and how. I choose to live with the consequences, are choices that are entirely my own to make. Had I been dealt a different hand, would my path have lead to wealth? Maybe. But do I have any right to complain, no. I am content with the choices I made, life as it is today would not be that way had I made different decisions. I am happy with the partner I now have, and likewise, will do my best by my children.

I qualified with a year in mathematics from a Russell group university. My considered career choices were the financial sector or teaching. I chose teaching. I now merely recline on my arse all week long enjoying the luxury of my easy job. Sure, I earn less money, but that's the price I pay for being so fucking lazy.

A first, not a year. Bloody autocorrect.

*Sorry Pink. I'm like two pages back trying to keep up. I'm not the most IT literate person you'll come across. Okay. Careers. We live in a society where we all know, and can easily find out, how well compensated certain career choices are. You are free to choose what you wish to do in life. You may choose to be a nurse, knowing up front the implications of that choice, and certainly by training (if you are good and diligent at your chosen profession) the specific dynamics and options of various career paths within that chosen profession. The same applies to ANY choice of career.

If you choose, knowing the likely remuneration, to follow a career that you believe society undervalues, that is entirely a matter for you. You know the consequence of your choice, what you're expected to do, and what you are likely to be paid.

And god forbid one part of that remuneration should be a little bit of sodding gratitude from the public we willingly serve.

Well luckily there are some people with hearts out there to care for the young, old and sick.

If they had any brains or drive they could quit and become the next Fred Goodwin perhaps? Do something useful and become a 'hard working family'