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to ask how you will be affected by the budget announcements?

776 replies

manicinsomniac · 08/07/2015 17:24

Sorry if there's another thread about this, I can only see lots of speculative ones.

Now that it's announced ... I admit I'm struggling to get my head around it. I don't think it's as bad as I thought? I don't think it can be that good though? I don't think there's a single thing in it that affects me. I'm not sure about any of that though because I find it all quite confusing!

So, ordinary people from ordinary families/households - how are you going to be affected, if at all?

OP posts:
lougle · 11/07/2015 13:09

I think, sadly, it's likely to be correct irretating.

irretating · 11/07/2015 13:09

No, people who pay six figure income tax sums don't work physically harder than those who earn a pittance but they generally have skills that are in very short supply, often honed after many years of study and experience. It's about supply and demand and there are people out there who can pretty much name their price because of their skill level.

You keep telling yourself that.

BeautifulBatman · 11/07/2015 13:17

irretating why do you disagree? My dh is well paid. I often think his salary is slightly ridiculous - but then after college, uni, over 25 years in the same industry and extra study to become a member of certain institutes, he can spend 30 minutes in meeting, pull a legal contract apart, and negotiate a discount or reduction on an invoice for the company he works for that would cover his salary, company benefits and bonuses for plenty more than a year. Bit of a bargain for the company imo.

irretating · 11/07/2015 13:24

why are so many top earners white middle class and male? Are they naturally superior to women and black minority ethnic groups?

BeautifulBatman · 11/07/2015 13:31

Really? You want to turn this into a racist/sexist issue?? Confused

fedupbutfine · 11/07/2015 13:36

And should the state really be in the business of making this easy? Splitting up/re-partnering and starting a second family is not all that great for the kids involved. I'm not sure why the state should take an interest in this at all, much less make it easier

do you have an actual clue? do you really think my ex husband could give a shit what would happen to our children and I once he had started sleeping with other women? do you think I should have put up with his disrespect, the possibility of contracting STIs, our joint monies being paid out to his girlfriends so that our mortgage went unpaid? You think it was better for our children to grow up like that?

People like you make me fucking sick. You really have no idea of the extent of the misery of some people's lives and just what an impact Tax Credits have had in women (mainly women) being able to get a hold of themselves and move on to something better. For their children, for themselves. As of 2017, we are now going to see women with more than 2 children literally unable to leave abusive partner for fear of not being able to support their children.

The state should take an interest in how children are raised. Why do we have Social Services if not? And hell, the State should be making it as easy as possible for people with children to walk away from abusive relationships and for them to be able to earn a half decent way knowing their children are being cared for. Haven't some people been through enough? Or do you think it is also our responsibility that our husbands beat us, cheated on us and in some cases, leave us half dead with scars, both physical and mental, that will take a lifetime to heal? Yeah, it's all our fault, ours alone. Never the abusive men is it? Don't expect them to take responsibility for their behaviour.

prepperpig · 11/07/2015 13:38

It isn't the thread for a sexism in the workplace discussion but the logical (albeit very simplistic) answer is because women step off the career ladder to have children and then don't always step back on (or only step back on partially).

BeautifulBatman · 11/07/2015 13:47

fedup I'm not sure you actually understood the context in which the op you quoted was posting in. They were responding to another post about the 2017 ctc rules being unfir because it might stop some people having children because they can't afford it without relying on ctc. Not about supporting already existing children/families that start off ok and then did themselves in shitty situations due to no fault of their own. Or do you think it's actually ok to deliberately rely on benefits when you plan to have children?

deriant · 11/07/2015 13:54

I will be better off by £128 a year. But the cuts to services locally are having a negative impact.

fedupbutfine · 11/07/2015 14:03

the outcome is the same, beautiful, real women who will struggle to move forwards with their lives. Women and children who live in absolute poverty as a direct result of this policy. I couldn't give two fucks whether a 'new' family is formed and has to think about whether they can afford it. But I do give a shit that women like myself will struggle to break free. None of this is OK and yes, the state should not be standing by and watching it happen.

BeautifulBatman · 11/07/2015 14:11

What shouldnt have happened is allowing the choice to be dependent on bebefits and credits in the first place.

BeautifulBatman · 11/07/2015 14:19

Of course, there should be systems and help in place for those who need it. Sorry, didn't want to do a disservice to people who find themselves in intolerable situations. Nobody should be held in a bad situation due to finances. But the free for all has to stop. It's really one of those 'minority ruin it for the genuine majority' cases. But what else can the government do? How do they weed out who is truly in need and whom is truly feckless?

irretating · 11/07/2015 14:20

Really? You want to turn this into a racist/sexist issue??

It's more of a equality and diversity issue.

BeautifulBatman · 11/07/2015 14:20

Wrong thread. Start a new one.

irretating · 11/07/2015 14:25

With respect Batman, you said so yourself that your husband earns silly money so I really doubt you actually what it's like to be struggling on a minimum wage job. You in your position of privilige are teling people who are directly and adversely affected by this, that they should just suck it up because of a few bad eggs. Fuck that shit.

We have a wage problem in this country, lower income earners aren't being given enough to meet the basic cost of living. Consumer debt has massively increased these last few years, not just with mortgages but unsecured debt from credit cards and loans. The government is transferring their debt problems to us, and we're heading for another financial crisis. Is this all worth it, just to get at a few people who know how to game the system?

irretating · 11/07/2015 14:26

you started this whole ''people are rich coz tey de awesome'.

BeautifulBatman · 11/07/2015 14:33

You're being pathetically childish and also incredibly presumptuous. I havent always been married, some of my childhood was spent watching my mum hide from the rent man etc, and some of my adulthood has been spent deciding whether to put petrol in the cat to get to work, or buy food, or pay my countil tax - because I could only afford to do one, not all 3. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder and feel very bitter towards anyone who has managed scrape some kind of living together by themselves without any help.

Trickydecision · 11/07/2015 14:38

BeautifulB, I hope I will be the first to ask how the cat topped up with petrol helped you get to work. Do the RSPCA have a view on this?

BeautifulBatman · 11/07/2015 14:39

Lol, bloody autocorrect! Grin

irretating · 11/07/2015 14:47

That's really interesting BB, because my childhood wasn't great, my dad lost his job and had a long time of unemployment - in the 80's! I was a single mother on benefits in the last years of the Tory government and early years of Labour. And I wouldn't fucking wish that life on anyone. Parents should not live on a couple of pieces of toast a day so their kids can have proper meals, or super glue their kids shoes together because they can't afford to replace them.

irretating · 11/07/2015 14:49

Oh, btw, I don't believe you, it strains credulity that anyone who has experienced that sort of life would want the next generation of children to go through it.

BeautifulBatman · 11/07/2015 14:51

I couldn't give a flying monkey's bottom if you believe me or not. Smile

GoodbyeToAllOfThat · 11/07/2015 15:00

fedupbutfine you quoted my post totally out of context as beautifulbatman has already covered. I can't believe that anyone would suggest that limiting tax credits to two kids is a bad idea because it's harder to start second families. If that makes you sick, so be it.

irretating · 11/07/2015 15:12

13 million families are going to lose money. If all of the adults in these families had decided to not have children until they had enough money so as not to need tax credits, how fucked up would our country be in 10 years time?

irretating · 11/07/2015 15:13

Oooh, forgot to put answers. Choose one of the 2 answers below.

  1. Lots, we'd be screwed.
  2. Not at all, also, I'm a waste of an education.