A decent budget for low paid workers.

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Aibu to think that overall the budget was good news for the low paid with a big increase in minimum wages announced?

Seems like a decent idea to me.

But I stand to be corrected.....

Ellie so one of the things people have to do, according to you, is to work out how to get continually younger, then? Ok, then. We'll get right on developing that time machine.

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I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

We all know how to improve our lives. We all know what we are and are not able to do. If it's too much trouble, so be it. If it isn't worth trying, so be it. It makes no difference to anyone except yourself and your children what you choose to do. No government cares. No company cares. That is the system our parents and our grandparents built for us to survive within. There are many options and ways through life, and many challenges, however, I have found that complaining about it and doing nothing, gets you nowhere.

Yes, people in the UK earn a lot relative to some other countries. However, when you add the associated living costs, what good does a £30,000 income do when houses cost £300,00 / rents are £1200 a month etc.?

The choose to live elsewhere! What use is £100K a year when houses where I live are all above £2M? I'll never be able to get on the housing ladder. What chance do my children have?

Get some perspective. I live in a perfectly decent middle class suburb and none of the houses around here even come close to £200K. You can buy ex-council property for less than £100K. The rents in those areas for three bedrooms semis are £600 and £450 respectively.

But I'm sure you'll be the first to point out... But I don't want to have that standard of living and I don't want to find a job with those sorts of people.

If greed and pride demand a certain lifestyle, don't complain about paying the price, and certainly don't entertain the notion that you have a right to complain that you are not given these things for free on welfare.

Yes, it's great to say people should get a job and work hard in it. That's great advice. But if you work hard and still can't afford to raise a family in a house, hasn't something gone ever so slightly wrong?

Yes. People's priorities in life. If you need a 50" plasma TV, two cars, mobile phones, a £40 a month TV package, a £200 a month energy demand, and a £600 a month food bill, maybe their priorities are wrong. That is great if you can work and provide that lifestyle for your family, but again, if you can't, or won't, then you have no right to expect these things to be given to you for free.

We live well on far less than £30K. We privately rent and claim no means tested benefits. Could we do with more money? Yes, we all could. Do we have the right to complain that we are poor and unable to live well in this country? No. Certainly not.

I presume you don't live in the south east ellie

Ellie

I was referring to "If your employer can find someone younger, cheaper and still just as punctual, efficient, intelligent, diligent, smart and efficient as you, then he'd be foolish not to make the change...But if you tick all those boxes and remain ahead of the competition, you have nothing to worry about."

Implying that part of remaining ahead of the competition is to be always younger than them. Otherwise, according to you, the employer is quite justified in sacking you and taking on an otherwise equally qualified one of them instead.

Implying that part of remaining ahead of the competition is to be always younger than them. Otherwise, according to you, the employer is quite justified in sacking you and taking on an otherwise equally qualified one of them instead.

Quite the contrary, and indeed many 'job seekers' camplain they experience is required and how can they get experience is experience is required to get the job. In answer to that posters specific concern, I pointed out that anyone who is faster, better, more efficient, more diligent, more honest, more punctual, more dependable, more likeable, more in tune with the businesses needs, will never be out of work.

I also pointed out that if it to the economic benefit of a business to change employees because the current employee cannot keep on top of the game, and younger more valuable talent comes along, then any business having done the maths would bo foolish not to fire accordingly. Nepotism aside, businesses should always employ the cheapest and most professional staff they can find for the money and job function they wish to fill.

Understanding the criteria for employment success is vital if you wish to assure yourself of continued employment and success; as is acting on the knowledge you gain.

I presume you don't live in the south east ellie

If it were economically prudent for me to do so, I would. Likewise, if it were economically prudent for me to live in Mozambique, I'd do that also. Currently it I live where I can achieve the best economic return for the life balance I wish to achieve. Having lived in six European countries, moving to meet my needs is not something I am resistant to.

And why are those rents so low?
Because people don't want to live there. Why not? Because there's no jobs.
What's the point in living somewhere where there are no jobs and no people with disposable income to buy services off you?

There are plenty of jobs and plenty of opportunities for business where I live. I guess I just got lucky, but then we have always moved for employment and opportunity, rather than complain about the problems at our old places. I've had maybe 8 addresses in the past 15 years, and lived throughout the UK. We tend to see opportunity and follow it, rather than watch it pass us by and complain that it did not stop in our street.

With all due respect Ellie, if it is that easy for everyone to become million crate salesmen or command the salary they want,then why are you are such a low wage?

With all due respect Ellie, if it is that easy for everyone to become million crate salesmen or command the salary they want, then why are you are such a low wage? It isn't. When faced with a challenge, the majority can be depended upon to take the path of least effort. It is a natural human instinct to expend as little energy as possible to secure the resources you need. That is why welfare is so insidious. It required little or no effort to receive a low amount of resources, and you face the threat of losing those resources should you attempt to secure your own by other means. Success requires understanding and effort, and a willingness to take risks the vast majority of us would never dream of taking. That is why everyone settles for a low paying McJob and dare not chase their dreams. They evaluate the risks and decide they'd rather stay put that find out how high they may actually be able to go.

Ellie, have you ever read what you right. It's tosh, complete and utter tosh. I know you think you're clever and insightful, but for crying out loud you're more badly written than a self help manual; "Success requires understanding and effort, and a willingness to take risks the vast majority of us would never dream of taking". Rubbish. Piffle. Trite Shite.

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I think you are just trying to excuse your own failure and as you are lazy then you feel everyone else is. There are plenty of people on benefits who aren't lazy.

That's not a great way to live with a family. It also doesn't say much for your business skills if you have to keep moving around to find work.

TBF DCs have come along in the last three years and we have stayed put. But we are aware of the shifting economic climate in the UK and a move abroad for a calmer life south of the equator may be on the cards in the next 5-10 years. 90% of the worlds population lives above the Equator, but 90% of the remaining resources on planet earth reside below the Equator. There is plenty of opportunity for those who wish to ahead of that curve, and we still live in a world where a British accent buys you more trust than an American one, and English remains the preeminent language of business. I'm not saying it won't be Chinese in 5 years time, but our children are born with incredible benefits, and we keep them in factories, call centres and offices doing McJobs for peanuts?

If you are so good, you should be well rewarded for all your hard work and your pay should increase so you don't have to move around every 2 years.

We have chosen a lifestyle that gives us reward in exchange for what we wish to pay, in terms of time and effort. We do not impose the cost of our lifestyle upon the state. We do however pay our taxes. So long as we what we desire, can assure ourselves that we are able to secure the resources we need in the future, and we have no fear of them being taken from us, we have what we consider to be a balanced happy life. That is our measure of success. If I wish to move for a better educational environment for DCs, or to give them greater diversity of experience and culture, and DC consents and the economics of the matter stack up, we will move. Likewise, if a job opportunity opens up and there is no disruption to our lifestyle, security or standard of living, we will move. You don't always need to be chasing jobs. People move sometimes because it makes them happy.

You contradict yourself. You say why settle for a low paid Mcjob. Then say you can't be bothered to chase your dreams and orefer it this way for the life balance

Dawn Seeing as you are so rich and successful in business, please share with us the key to your success, if it was not your determination to succeed, and the time and effort you put into your business? Please explain why I am not as successful as you are in business, if it has nothing to do with you having acted, and me having not. If you are successful in business, the please share with us your insights. But if you are not, could that be why?

"We do not impose the cost of our lifestyle upon the state"

Yes you do, even without claiming any benefits, you don't earn anything like enough to be a net contributer.

As I said on the other thread success is a mixture of hard work, luck, right time, and natural ability

If you do not claim benefits at all - how much to become a net contributor?

"If you do not claim benefits at all - how much to become a net contributor?"

It's about 35k with them...and tax credits for 20k would only be about 5k, so its still a pretty big gap.