To feel sorry for the mother of the Tunisian gunman

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www.itv.com/news/2015-07-05/mother-of-tunisian-beach-gunman-says-he-refused-to-kill-a-mouse-because-he-couldnt-kill-anything/

I don't think her upset can even remotely compere to the grief of those whose loved ones were murdered in Tunisia.

However I can't imagine how awful it must feel to find out that your child has done such a terrible thing, and have to live with the guilt of this for the rest of your life.

...and OP I don't think her grief can compare, because there's no need to compare.

There are some real vultures on this thread.

I'm reminded of poor Kate McCann being accused of "not looking grief stricken enough". Disgusting.

These issues around who counts as a victim, the position of families of victims and perpetrators (some of whom were killed in the course of their actions), and any supposed 'hierarchy of victimhood' have been deeply problematic questions for the peace process in Northern Ireland in recent years.

This is a very interesting report trying to find a way forward, unfortunately jettisoned by the government.

It is a convenient lie that evil people are somehow "other"

Ah so we are "othering" mass murderers now are we. I can categorically state, that under no circumstances would I ever gun down innocent tourists on a beach or blow up a mosque full of innocent worshippers.

I don't think you can categorically state that.

I think millions of people could "categorically state that"! And I'd wonder the mindset of someone who said they couldn't state it.

Given the same upbringing, in the same place, with the same history and same influences, who knows what kind of person you'd be?

You could flush your comfortable British values down the toilet, I imagine.

You could flush your comfortable British values down the toilet, I imagine.

You know nothing about me. Yes, I expect that I would be a different person, completely different, with different values and outlook, but I would put a gun to my own head rather than do what those men do.

Well good for you.

I think a few people here might benefit from googling zimbardo and milgram.

Both very interesting Beyond.

I firmly believe that very, very few people have the moral fortitude not to give in to the external influence in those situations.

Obviously there are a lot of people who grow up in poverty, abuse etc who do not become criminals, killers or terrorists. That much is true.

But given the exact same particular stimulus as the subject/criminal/terrorist..... I don't think people are as strong or as special as they believe they are.

Given the same upbringing, in the same place, with the same history and same influences who knows what kind of person you'd be ?

.... I had the same up bringing and influences as the 7/7 bombers, Aqsa Mahmood and all the other wannabe Jihadists. Didn't convince me to kill my fellow men. Quite the opposite and in fact it was my 'comfortable British values' that led me to reject any such notions or any ideology that actually does define people through 'othering' - muslims versus non-muslims.

Complete horseshit that this could be any of us.

More MN competitive fuckwittery. Making excuses yet again for yet another murderous shithead who's taken his blood thirsty hateful 'faith' literally.

The only bit you had right in your sentence was 'same influences'. That's right Islam - the common theme underpinning all these atrocities.

Well said MistressMia

"very very few people have the moral fortitude not to give in to the external influences" Downgraded your posts are hugely offensive.

Just because we don't agree does not make my posts offensive. You'll just have to accept that not everyone sees the world the same as you.

Mistress you sound dangerously like you are tarring all Muslims with the same brush.

Downgraded can you read?

Mistress mia is a former muslim on a bit of a crusade, downgraded

Well it's nice to be called a fuckwit on a Monday evening

'The Tunisia atrocity is new, fresh and still shocking it is TOO SOON to be asking people to think about whether the mother is a victim'

Mistress is right.

MistressDeeCee - I mean.

There are a few mistresses around