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AIBU to feel really sorry for the wife of the terror suspect in France?

96 replies

PacificDogwood · 26/06/2015 23:10

My French is not up to much, but the poor woman sounds distraught and beside herself.

I have no idea what he thought he was up to, but my heart goes out to her.
Sad

Condolences to those who lost a love one today; in France and elsewhere.

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PacificDogwood · 27/06/2015 08:48

Sorry, I posted and went to bed. Catching up now.

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GreatAuntDinah · 27/06/2015 08:50

I'm a bit Hmm at "she must have known". People said that about Sonia Sutcliffe until they had to pay her hefty damages when it turned out she didn't.

NRomanoff · 27/06/2015 08:58

great that's not strictly true. There was no proof she knew. However some people who knew him had reported his name to the police. They had suspicions, I believe she must have too. As did his dad when he was interviewed before his death.

I am also sure she provides him with a false alibi when he was questioned earlier in the investigation. So knew what he was being spoken to about and said he was at home when she knew he wasn't. I understand he may have forced her to that, but she knew the truth. That he wasn't at home and was lying to police.

PacificDogwood · 27/06/2015 09:02

Ok, caught up and looked at the news.

I have no idea what she knew or did not know.
My OP was in response to her distress.

I don't think anything can express how I feel about the lives cruelly murdered, so I won't even try Sad.

And I am a bit Hmm that her children were removed too?
Reports seems to hedge their bets a bit whether or not she was his actual wife too? All v odd.
I am quite sure us (the general public) will never no everything that is to be known.
I am a bit Hmm how reports went from 'lone attacker with an axe to grind' (the decapitated man had been his boss] to 'Islamist attack' - which it well may have been of course.

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Justanotherlurker · 27/06/2015 09:02

Carefull GreatAuntDinah,

The same comparisons where being made against people saying Hasan "must have known" about his Daughter.

It's to early to tell either way, but it wouldn't be surprising if she did, also I'm with the PP on this, I'm more inclined to feel sorry for the victims families first and foremost.

It feels like people who say they feel sorry for the wife of the terror suspect is trying to downplay the political angle in which it was carried out.

meditrina · 27/06/2015 09:05

"You can't live with someone becoming that radical and disturbed for that long without condoning or supporting it, or at the least having suspicions."

This reminds me of Wednesday Addams, dressed in her ordinary clothes at Hallowe'en, because she was a psychopathic serial killer and they look just like the rest of us.

If being outwardly disturbed was a feature of radicalisation, then the whole issue would surely be much easier to deal with.

Mistigri · 27/06/2015 09:06

We have no idea if she knew or not, it's up to the police to find out. But it's not uncommon for partners not to know. It seems for example that the families of the Charlie Hebdo killers had no suspicions.

Seriouslyffs · 27/06/2015 09:07

You do know sympathy isn't rationed? It's not finite and you being able to feel sorry for one person doesn't diminish your feelings for another?
Confused
Weird thread and responses to the OP!

WorriedMutha · 27/06/2015 09:07

Have you forgotten the protestations of the wife of the 7/7 bomber who was pregnant and the mother of a toddler at the time. She similarly knew nothing and was shocked by events. That was before she went on the run and became known as the White Widow. Frankly I don't know whether the French wife knew anything, but I am surprised that with all of the events of yesterday, you should target her of all widows/widowers and orphans there must be who might be more deserving of our thoughts today.

AuntieStella · 27/06/2015 09:09

Sonia Sutcliffe and her libel win

I don't remember any suggestion that she had ever given him a false alibi. Can you link a source for that?

PacificDogwood · 27/06/2015 09:10

Seriouslyffs, thank you for verbalising much more succinctly what I am feeling Thanks

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Signlake · 27/06/2015 09:12

her children were removed too

But hasn't she been arrested according to other posters? Where would her children go?

I actually think this thread is in very bad taste. Even if the woman wasn't aware, I'm sure that the pain the victims families are going through is much, much worse and perhaps people should focus on that?

Justanotherlurker · 27/06/2015 09:13

Maybe it was reported as an Islamist attack because of the events

His head - reportedly bearing Arabic inscriptions - had been hooked on to some factory railings, alongside two flags also with Arabic writing on it.
Mr Molins said the suspect was a father of three who had been married for 10 years. His wife, sister and another person have also been taken into custody.
Mr Sali, Mr Molins said, had never been found guilty of any crime but had been "under surveillance for radical Islamist activities since 2006

AuntyMag10 · 27/06/2015 09:15

Really you can't see why it was reported as such an attackHmm

PacificDogwood · 27/06/2015 09:16

Just, yes, I saw that. It is a turnabout compared to yesterday's reports.

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Mistigri · 27/06/2015 09:16

seriouslyffs it's not weird it's just the usual racist bollocks.

"These people" ... scary words. Because they're not, you know, people like us.

Personally I prefer to wait for evidence before passing judgement.

Justanotherlurker · 27/06/2015 09:19

Posted to soon,

In the immediate aftermass, it would obviously be reported as a lone attacker because of the little facts coming through, so I'm unsure why your confused with the way the reported unfolded.

GreatAuntDinah · 27/06/2015 09:23

YY Mistigri

Signlake · 27/06/2015 09:25

Mistigri can you please explain who on this thread has posted a racist comment? I see nothing racist about people who wish to reserve their sympathies for the deceased, murdered in a despicable way and their families. Also Justanotherlurker explains why people have came to the rather obvious conclusion that this is yet another crime fuelled by radical Islam

CrystalHaze · 27/06/2015 09:26

"And I am a bit hmm that her children were removed too"

Why? It's likely that the police/authorities have access to information that makes this the best course of events at the present moment: Surveillence, information from informants, discrepancies in her statements to the police - there are many reasons why this may have happened, and we don't know enough to evaluate whether the decision to remove the children was justified or not.

aladyofindeterminateage · 27/06/2015 09:26

Why is it racist bollocks to describe IS terrorists as "these people"?

aladyofindeterminateage · 27/06/2015 09:31

I received a text from friends in Paris at around 12.30 midday yesterday describing in detail what had happened, including the decapitation, the fact that the victim's head was impaled on the fence along with the placement of the ISIL flags.

There can have been no doubt regarding the nature of the attack. I am certain the attacks in Tunisia were linked, and we are likely to see more and worse throughout Ramadan.

It would be naive to believe otherwise.

aladyofindeterminateage · 27/06/2015 09:36

sorry - 2.30pm

sandrapanda · 27/06/2015 09:37

No-one knows if she was involved at this stage FGS stop being so ridiculous. Of course what happened y/day is horrific beyond words but let's remember innocent until proven guilty please.

As for feeling

GreatAuntDinah · 27/06/2015 09:43

because lady at this stage there can be no evidence either way that his wife was involved, yet by virtue of her husband's actions she's being found guilty by association of being one of "these people".