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To feel like this.....changes to admissions criteri-Gutted!!!!

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SuziWills1 · 26/06/2015 10:21

Hi this is Mr fest post on netmums but I've been lurking for a while through the forums. I need advise about my Ds's school and moving up to secondary. Now before I safari me just say that we are a catholic family and we want our kids to go to catholic school. I realise that there have been some debates lately about the admissions criteria and that some of you don't think that it's fair to be baisis towards certain children and I totally understand that but bare with me whilst I explain.

I have three children. Ds is 11 (year 6) Dd is 10 (year 5) and my youngest Dd is 3 going on 4. Years ago when it came to applying for our eldest to go to school we chose our local catholic primary as first choice, but as it was heavily subscribed he didn't get a place, neither did Dd a year later so they both started at the local community school with a plan to move them if a place came up at the catholic primary.

As it turned out no places became available for my Ds but a place became available two years ago for my Dd who was at the time half way through year 3. After much consideration and talking with dd we decided to take the place at the Catholic school and she has flourished. Ds did not want to move if there were a place available anyway as he only had years 5 and 6 to complete and he wanted to stay with his friends, which was understandable.

If I'm not being clear I apologise, but basically if you didn't go to a Catholic primary school you stood little chance of getting into the secondary school. We had/have our heart set on this school but it was no surprise to learn that our Ds this year did not get a place, simply because he didn't go to a Catholic primary, so he's now due to start at a non faith school close to home, which he's happy about.

So anyway we've endured two years of shuttling back and forth to two primary schools but have been happy with this as we knew that our Dd would be at the top of the criteria list along with her friends so you can imagine my shock when she came out of school on Monday with a letter telling us parents that from September of this year the feeder secondary school that we hoped Dd would go to is changing it's criteria significantly, and a wave of anxiety came over me.

Basically this was the top four criteria (which is as far as the governors can admit to as its oversubscribed every year)

1). Looked after children/statements
2). Baptised Catholic children who live within one of the parishes named above AND who have received their primary education at a Catholic school.

3). Baptised Catholic children who will have a brother or sister at the the school at the time of admission
4). Baptised Catholic children from other parishes who have received their primary education at a Catholic school.

The criteria from September is this

1). Looked after children/statements
2). Baptised Catholic children who have a brother or sister at the school at the likely time of admission.
3). Baptised Catholic children who live within the parishes (there are 7 local parishes)
4). All other baptised Catholic children.

Now as you can see the school are still prioritising baptised Catholic children but my daughter has now gone from being in the highest category after looked after/statemened children to being in the second category. Now this in itself wouldn't bother me as its just simply switching the categories round and she would still stand a good chance of getting into the school but it's the fact that they've now took away the stipulation of Catholic primary school.

You see, with the schools old criteria the category my Dd was in stipulated that you had to have gone to Catholic primary school which was fine as she now goes to the feeder primary so it meant that she would only be "up against" three other feeder Catholic schools to secure her palace and for years and years the secondary school have accepted all children from these primary schools who wanted a place and even had palaces left over for children from Catholic schools in other parishes and for some who weren't baptised at all, so you can see how I felt confident that my dd would get a place.

But is that they've changed the criteria she now has siblings above her and will now potentially have parents applying for their children who are baptised but go to non faith primaries, and it gets down to that then I don't think she will stand a chance of getting in as we live 1.9 miles away so hardly a stones throw. I know I'm rambling and there definitely more pressing issues in the world but I feel really worried and kind of gutted that this has happened. We moved our daughter firstly because we wanted her to get the Catholic education that she was denied in the first place when applying for reception and secondly so that she could get the best education possible and this secondary school was it! I just don't know what if anything I can do? I'd feel awful if she was refused a place at the high school and after making all new friends didn't have the opportunity to move up with them all. Plus my youngest dd is about to move to the feeder primary school this Septemebr and the hope was that he too would go on to the secondary, plus like I said, both of these schools are 2 miles from our home so I've already made the commitment to driving them there and back every day for the next 7 years or so and feel a bit sick at the thought that it was all for nothing. Please somebody tell me I'm worrying over nothing:)

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MrsTerryPratchett · 26/06/2015 15:55

I know you are worried for your children. But it does sound a bit like you are upset because your children won't be discriminated for quite as much as they were before. Presumably the atheists have to go to the worse schools in the area. Based on their parents' religions. Now THAT is unfair.

LIZS · 26/06/2015 15:56

Tbh I think you are probably more gutted that the criteria changed too late for your Ds to benefit and therefore your other dc would have followed. I seem to recall a similar thread bemoaning that the eldest child of 3 didn't get a faith school place because he hadn't been admitted to the feeder primary, although that may not have been you. There is no system which would satisfy everyone and I'd be surprised if this change hadn't been consulted upon.

Sausagerollers · 26/06/2015 16:18

Of your entire post the bit that stood out most for me was:

I've already made the commitment to driving them there and back every day for the next 7 years or so and feel a bit sick at the thought that it was all for nothing.

If you genuinely thought your child going to a faith school was so important, why would their education at a faith primary be for nothing?

It smacks of you hunting out a good secondary school and then doing everything to you can to get your child into it (fair enough) and expecting to get a place because of your faith.

In general the secondary school system in the UK is:
You pay for a place (private)
You achieve a place (grammar)
Or you live near the school (catchment)

I'm not sure why your primary school should be relevant.

nicoleshitzinger · 26/06/2015 17:03

"The State provides many more non-faith schools and also other faith schools. They are not failing to provide other children with an education."

Children whose parents attend church have a much wider choice of schools than children whose parents don't. That's wrong and discriminatory.

"I also believe these schools are substantially funded by the Catholic church in addition to State funding."

The majority of funding comes from the tax payer.

I wouldn't have a problem with these schools reserving a proportion of places for children from faith families proportionate to the funding the church provides.

"If you consider a Catholic education to be a superior education, then maybe that is something to do with the Catholic ethos."

Or to the fact that the admissions requirements of Catholic schools have the effect of excluding the poorest, most disruptive and least able children, which makes them more attractive to many.

"I am not convinced that any superior results are purely due to social class because many Catholics are working class. Recent immigrants, many on low incomes, from Eastern Europe, Africa and Latin America are responsible for the boost in the numbers attending the Catholic Church."

76% of Roman Catholic primary schools in the UK take a lower proportion of children on free school meals than the average for the area in which the school resides.

There is one RC secondary near me which takes only 2% low achieving children. The nearest non-denominational secondary a quarter of a mile away takes 15% low achievers. Their intake of high achieving children is 58%/32% respectively.

The starkest figures are when you look at the RC schools which are considered the most desirable and most oversubscribed. London Oratory - free school meals 6%, community school in same postcode, free school meals 28%.

It's absolutely shocking.

sashh · 26/06/2015 17:05

What exactly do you think is going to happen if they don't attend a faith school

They don't get to walk around feeling superior all day.

Nicole "People who don't have children, including those who desperately want children but can't have them and those who dislike children, still have to contribute to the cost of schools.

I'm one of those childless people, I have no problem with paying taxes to educate children, it is an investment in society.

I do have a problem paying taxes for children to be taught a bunch of superstitions and that it is OK to discriminate. I object to schools being able to discriminate in their selection of students and staff.

GaryBaldy · 26/06/2015 17:12

OP what do you want from this thread?

If you want specialist advice about admissions and appeals then you might be better asking to get this moved to one of the Education boards where it's less busy but there are lots of specialists who will give you advice.

If you just want a rant somewhere then AIBU is as good as anywhere Wink

tiggytape · 26/06/2015 17:24

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