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ghostspirit · 21/06/2015 18:23

daughter asked if she can have friday coming of work as we arranged a family day out. it was arranged before she got the job.

his reply was.Your on router i cant change it next time give more notice.

daughter thinks that means she can go but should give more notice next time.

i think it means. no you cant go. next time give more notice and you will be able to go...

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ghostspirit · 22/06/2015 07:47

boy i dont like to say shes stupid but she can be a muppet and it would not not have entered her head to say anything.

i think its to late now hissy she normally only works wed/thurs/fri...she been sick all weekend so she cant go in today so only leaves tomorrow.

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RebootYourEngine · 22/06/2015 08:10

Zero hour contracts are shit.

If i was your daughter i would go to chessington. With a zero hour contract she has the right to refuse a shift. There is no obligations with those contracts. Your dd could work fri & b sacked sat and thats why i would go. Also they seem to think they can treat their staff any way they please.

ghostspirit · 22/06/2015 09:04

ah so he should have got the staff together and asked if they were happy with the shifts not just sort them without saying anything.

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BoyFromTheBigBadCity · 22/06/2015 11:31

Again, i'm sorry if there's more to this but bosses don't gather all the staff to approve the rota - they make it by knowing when staff have leave. Also remember that she may need the reference, and if she does continue at this job the goodwill of the other staff. I hate zero hours contracts, but her job is a job, not a thing to do when she fancies.

ghostspirit · 22/06/2015 11:49

oh im confused Confused some people are saying she can refuse a shift if she wants to.

zero contract means if they dont need her then she wont be given work. but then she cant make plans because she would never know when they want her to work. sort of comes across as a one way street.

but yeah i agree a job is a job. i think zero contracts are crap for people with responsabiltys. but she does not have any. so for someone like her zero contract is not the end of the world

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Pipbin · 22/06/2015 12:25

She can refuse it as she is zero hours but it's not a good idea this early in a job.

Momagain1 · 22/06/2015 13:39

tired
zero hours means there are no promised hours or schedule. You might regularly be scheduled to perfect hours at the perfect timings. You might not get scheduled at all, or anything in between. Managers often cant be bothered to deal with holiday requests meaning people are left trying to scramble to get coverage for a day they requested but wasnt scheduled. Or the manager will approve it after the fact and write in a sub, and if the sub already wrote down their hours, they are now in the shit for not knowing avout the change. It also means people just dont show up, and others work late (possibly unpaid as Ops daughter reports) as they arent on the schedule.

Even when they honor your time off request, I am convinced many managers only know how to copy paste in order to create a schedule, they dont build it based on promised hours, requested days off, and knowing that some workers have better skills for certain situations (like a party at a resteraunt, or making sure not to have a shift with nothing but inexperienced new hires). so if you finally have had regular hours because of seniority, and request and receive a day off, that hole in your schedule will persist until the new person on the day needs a day off, and you manage to get yourself slotted back in instead of some random untrained new person.

It isnt anything like 'part-time' work was in the old days. When I was a teen it was posible for mothers to work lunch shifts only, and teens to get afternoons and weekends and college students or other adults needing a second job to get late nights. There were also some few who worked full-time, bridging between the gaps of the parttimers in what should be slow business times. They had more staff, but the staff was more reliable because their hours worked with their time available. Businessess unable to offer full time hours acccepted that they had to take part timers when the part timers were available.

Nowadays they hire fewer and make no allowances for their lives when scheduling. Everyone is looked down on as if being a less than full time worker means they should grovel and be grateful. My teenaged daughters would find themselves scheduled for day shifts, or past midnight on a weeknight. Mothers with school aged children would be on for afternoons, nights and weekends. The workers were often left swapping shifts and rescheduling themselves to solve these problems, but then sometimes faced a manager who wouldnt agree to the changes. That would almost always end in people quitting because school, or their real job, or the fact that part time irregular child care on short notice is not a thing that exists at any price much less one that can be paid by resteraunt and shop workers, and the remaining workers schedule gets even worse.

Oh, that was a rant. That felt good.

TuckingFablet · 22/06/2015 14:45

She can't go. he said she's on the rota and can't change it.

Hissy · 22/06/2015 14:48

tell her to stay off sick...

Andrewofgg · 22/06/2015 14:51

She can't go - if she gives more notice it may be possible to swap. Newcomers to a job have to slot into the rota as they find it. That's life. Your daughter is trying to kid herself.

If I were the boss and she did not show up on Friday after a test/email like that I would show her the door as she would have shown insufficient commitment.

Andrewofgg · 22/06/2015 14:53

Hissy I hope that that was meant as a joke. The "sick" would be so obviously fake that any manager with half the usual ration of common sense and guts would ignore it.

Apart from anything else, if the OP's daughter does not work somebody else must - at short notice. Not on.

ghostspirit · 22/06/2015 16:29

andrewfgg but she did try and give notice. they had not even given her any contact detales. she had to chase them up.then was given the wrong contact detales. had to chase it again. so had they given her contact detales she would not be in this situation now.

from what im learning the company is crap to work for. getting her to work for an extra hour but not paying her for it.

one 40 min break in 10 hours. telling her that her till is down 8 pound and next time will be taken from her wage even though other people are using the till. shes told the till his her responsability even though shes not the only one on it.

Grin she would not tell them shes ill that would be silly haha. althouh she is actually ill at the moment.

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Andrewofgg · 22/06/2015 16:50

Even if she had the right contact details - if the free spots for next Friday were already taken she as the newbie would have to accept that.

But this does indeed sound like a good company not to be working for!

ghostspirit · 22/06/2015 16:53

thats true. no its not but to her its money in her pocket and she does not know any different. as such. i have told the things that are not right. what she does with that is up to her.

shes looking for other jobs though

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IssyStark · 23/06/2015 11:57

Being on a zero hours contract makes a big difference, imho.

When did she get sent the rota for the day she wants off? Has she even been sent it yet? If she hasn't been given the rota, she can simply say she can't work it. Even if she has been sent it, she can still say she can't work it. Given how they are expolioting her, I don't think she should be backward about asserting her own rights to turn down a shift. Tough shit on the company, they should check, especially this time of year if people have other commitments. If she's on a zero hours contract, the company have to also realise that not everyone will be able to work every shift they are rota'd for.

That's the great 'flexibility' that makes companies like them (nothing to do with bad management, getting away with not paying proper holidays, national insurance etc etc)

ghostspirit · 23/06/2015 12:07

issy shes not been sent it at all shes just been told shes on rota.

she does not really understand they are taking the piss. i guess they know that to. have realised it pretty fast though. with help from people on this thread.

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ghostspirit · 24/06/2015 10:35

can daughter get the sack for being of sick? if she had sick letter from gp would it be unfair sacking?

or althogh they may not sack her they could just not give her any work so she ends up leaving anyway

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FenellaFellorick · 24/06/2015 12:49

An employer can sack you for any reason or no reason (except things that come under discrimination laws ) for the first 2 years.

www.gov.uk/dismiss-staff/eligibility-to-claim-unfair-dismissal

FenellaFellorick · 24/06/2015 12:50

re unfair dismissal claims, I mean.

manchestermummy · 24/06/2015 12:58

In what way are they taking the piss? Is it a retail job? I had a supermarket job years ago where you had to give three weeks notice for leave, and if you couldn't, it had to be for a very good reason. I could only give two for my master's viva and was told I couldn't have the day off. When I told them I'd fail - master's by research, viva and thesis the only assessment - they sorted it.

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