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to be MAD about bloody Lego Friends airport, where the pilot is a MAN.

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changeshow · 04/06/2015 20:27

Got Lego Catalogue today. Looking through at all the exciting and colourful stuff for boys. Got to the Lego Friends page. Looking at the nice plane, check the figures.........

FLIGHT ATTENDANT SANDRA and PILOT DAVID. WTAF! Why is the pilot a bloke?!

Did no one at Lego has the wit to say 'errr women can be pilots'?

AIBU to be seriously unimpressed by this? Makes me bloody cross.

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timelyreminder · 06/06/2015 21:24

But the encouragement is there for those girls.

Maybe at school, but plenty of their time isn't spent at school.

LosingTheWillToSkate · 06/06/2015 21:29

Plenty isn't

But I'd argue schooling has a far bigger influence on someone's life choices and expectations than Lego.

NeedAScarfForMyGiraffe · 06/06/2015 21:57

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stoopstoconker · 06/06/2015 22:12

Of course socialisation plays a role. I started secondary school top of my class/year in most subjects particularly science and maths. I was labelled a boffin and made to feel there was something wrong with me because I wasn't a proper girl. I didn't feel the support of any countering voices.

This expectation was echoed at home that as a woman I had a particular role to play, and I bought it.

Of course I'm an adult now and make supposedly informed/proactive choices, but I feel the tug of my programming and I appreciate it when behaviour arising from it is pointed out to me. It's not just a lack of interest, for many girls it is conditioning that they will only be valued for certain qualities.

JassyRadlett · 06/06/2015 23:51

Losing, why do you think British girls in particular aren't interested?

Looked at on a population basis, there's either some weird genetic mutation on this set of islands, something in our air or water, or something about the way we socialise children and the sum total of influences they receive that make them so much less interested than girls elsewhere.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 07/06/2015 00:04

Well I must say I envy you because if a piece of Lego is your only worry you must lead a fantastic care free existence.

JassyRadlett · 07/06/2015 00:06

Well I must say I envy you because if a piece of Lego is your only worry you must lead a fantastic care free existence.

Do you post this exact sentence, changing only a few words, on 90% of the threads in MN?

I'm not entirely clear where OP said it was her only worry. Can you elaborate?

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 07/06/2015 00:27

Please re read my comment I said
"If" being the key word a tiny word in letters but massive in meaning.

LosingTheWillToSkate · 07/06/2015 00:40

Where are your stats on country by country Jassy? Apologies if you've posted them and I've missed.

Do you take into account the different routes into fields of work? We have a very strong apprentice programme in this country when it comes to what are traditionally more male fields of work. For example, the vast majority of engineers I know are time served, not graduates. The same is certainly true of the skilled trades.

I do remember reading that male and female brains are largely very different. Boys tend to be more logical thinkers, which kind of goes hand in hand with a number of more male roles. Obviously it isn't the case for everyone.

I don't know what I'm supposed to be conditioned towards. I have very feminine traits and interests, and equally so more masculine interests too.

MrsBojingles · 07/06/2015 00:44

How do you know it's a man? Could be a woman wearing trousers and a beard or a pre op ftm trans. Stop being so genderised.

undoubtedly · 07/06/2015 07:41

iliveinalighthouse have you been here long? You've posted the most banal reply possible on MN.

Have a Biscuit

stoopstoconker · 07/06/2015 08:35

I would say that conditioning is usually something we are unaware of. The expectation you are given by your treatment.
I would say that I was very interested in STEM but actively discouraged. I wasn't even given lego because it was a boys toy, I could play with my brother's lego if he allowed me.
There are still many people whose expectations are diminished by their influences
I can vouch for my own experience, extrapolating everyone elses based on my own might be unscientific, as would ignoring evidence that gender discrimination exists and realising that it is the compound effect or many sometimes trivial influences.

VirginiaTonic · 07/06/2015 08:43

I've never been on a flight where the pilot was a woman!

mammuzzamia · 07/06/2015 08:58

No surprise. That's Lego friends for you. The pointless, so-called 'girly' colours, themed, fluffy lego. I've never bought any of that stuff

SomewhereIBelong · 07/06/2015 09:09

We have the lego private jet - it has a female pilot. Olivia... she has a bio on the lego site:
"I want to be: Inventor, archeologist, robot maker, or maybe a high-tech innovator "

The airport set does have a male pilot

the lego city set is marketed as being flown by a male pilot with a female flight attendant - does it matter what message that is sending?

People will get het up over such crap sometimes.

BadLad · 07/06/2015 09:17

Off topic, but the reviews of this playmobil airport security are brilliant.

www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0002CYTL2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1433664912&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX200_QL40&keywords=lego+airport+security&dpPl=1&dpID=41G9WA5NRDL&ref=plSrch

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 07/06/2015 09:18

Thank you. I'll enjoy it.Grin

JassyRadlett · 07/06/2015 09:27

Stoops, there are a few studies around on the confidence issue, and demonstrating that attainment involves self-confidence as well as absolute ability

For example, Aspires (2013) groups those traditionally under-represented in post-16 physical sciences and mathematics (girls, working-class and certain minority ethnic pupils) tend to be less confident in their own abilities, and are less likely to identify themselves as being ‘good’ at science and/or mathematics – irrespective of their actual abilities and attainment.

In a survey of 23,000 12–15 year old girls who want to study physics beyond 16, more have lower confidence in their abilities than boys, despite tests revealing no difference in their actual conceptual abilities (UPMAP project, cited in TISME 2013.

Looking, I posted upthread about our grim % of women in engineering roles. I'm not terribly convinced by the 'it's because of apprenticeships' argument - why are those paths traditionally male, when they aren't elsewhere? Engineering UK has a good report on this - ie the reason girls don't pursue vocational engineering paths. And regardless, why are 85% of engineering graduates women?

Why do more girls study STEM when they're at all-girls schools, and then go on to do better?

Why are 76% of women in the UK who finish their education and are qualified in SET are not employed in the SET sector, compared to say 47% in Sweden?

You also spoke about male and female brains operating differently - I think there's evidence that this is much less than stereotypes, even within science, suggest and that there is evidence of stereotype bias - a Smith college study (Wraga et al in 2013) took 3 groups of females and got them to do a mental rotation task while in a brain scanner. This sort of task is one of the very few where there is some evidence of very small, group level differences between women and men. The group that was told about this difference performed worst and showed different patterns of brain activation, in those areas more often associated with emotional processes.

A group that was given positive messages performed best, and showed brain activation patterns consistent with visual processing and working memory. The study is worth a Google.

There's loads out there - I'll try to link to more later but I have to run now. The Wellcome Trust, Institute of Physics, IPPR and others have good evidence-based reports on this.

JassyRadlett · 07/06/2015 09:28

^Please re read my comment I said
"If" being the key word a tiny word in letters but massive in meaning.^

Given there was no evidence at all of the 'if' you were positing, why waste the keystrokes?

stoopstoconker · 07/06/2015 09:28

Have also played Casualty Christmas special with Playmobil hospital, playground and assorted vehicles. Such a versatile toy.

Aeroflotgirl · 07/06/2015 09:48

That is crap, I woukd put a message on their Twitter page. I know a female airline pilot, I wanted to be one myself but my Maths is dreadful.

SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 07/06/2015 10:12

This fully expressed my opinion on the subject of gendered fucking Lego...

to be MAD about bloody Lego Friends airport, where the pilot is a MAN.
SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 07/06/2015 10:13

Ah, sorry, that really doesn't work as an image on MN, does it?

Try this instead.

messyisthenewtidy · 07/06/2015 10:32

Sera, I don't know how I feel about that comic tbh. I totally get that many girls would be happy with just having girl mini-figs in the spaceship/ war-loving kits that make up so much of mainstream lego targeted at boys only.

But as a girl I would have preferred cafes and horseriding and houses but I still would have hated the idea of Lego Friends because there's nothing worse than someone telling you should like something even if you do like that thing. It takes away initiative and choice.

Plus you get drawn into the other stereotypes that don't fit you, in this case, beauty salons and bubble gum pink would have repelled me but I would have put up with them because finally there was a Lego range that had girls in and wasn't about destruction!

I'm not entirely sure what I'm trying to say except that I don't think we need to prove that girls like the same thing as boys are supposed to (especially when those things are a bit morally dubious) in order to legitimately ask companies like Lego to stop segregating children and pidgeon-holing them.

SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 07/06/2015 11:13

So how about Lego just make sets, with horseriding, and cafes, and spaceships, and fire stations, and pirate ships, and castles, and hair salons, and just put male and female minifigs in equal proportions in all of them, and make them all part of the same range? Lego Friends is, for the most part, incompatible with the rest of Lego. Yes, different girls have different interests. So do different boys. And it's really not hard to cater to all of them without directing them specifically to one set or the other based on gender.