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We are not a nation of animal loveras. More a nation of pet lovers

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fortyfide · 03/06/2015 11:37

We kill animals by the million every year for meat But we do love our pet dogs , cats and other cute pets.

I am not a veggie. But would never call us Brits a nation of animal lovers

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DamnBamboo · 03/06/2015 17:34

Where did you get your PhD from again? Is that from the Gillian McKeith school of nutrition and biologicial understanding

Honestly I have no words and yet again, am amazed at the reaction of people who are challenged and shown up for their ignorance. What on earth has Gillian McKeith got to do with anything.

Humane and human are not the same thing! Honestly, are you confused by this and don't understand that inhumane actually means without compassion for suffering or misery!

GobblersKnob · 03/06/2015 17:36

Erm there is quite an enormous difference between the meaning of human and humane, though inhuman and inhumane have a similar meaning, but not what you are inferring I imagine........

GobblersKnob · 03/06/2015 17:37

Was at mijass99, though that is probably pretty clear tbf.

mileend2bermondsey · 03/06/2015 17:37

Animals aren't people you know
Thanks for that info, very usefull.

Let's try and give them as dignified life as possible
Well if you eat factory farmed meat/dairy clearly you don't try to do this.

Iamannogginandanoggin · 03/06/2015 17:50

"the fact remains is the killing of animals is inhumane"

That's not a fact, that's a value judgment, and even then it should certainly warrant some qualification to be a sensibly expressed one. In practice, the killing of animals is very often a humane act - and indeed you can't really love and care for large numbers of animals, actively, without learning this fact.

I agree that modern industrialized farming falls a long way short of meeting decent animal welfare standards. I know lots of farmers do, as well, even including ones who are actually doing them, and seek alternatives. The issues with rolling back the clock are primarily about being able to keep farms running, and to some extent, keeping up with demand.

As for the assumption that it's morally wrong for people to maintain themselves on a diet that includes meat farmed, hunted or fished meat, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one, I think it's one of the great pleasures of the animal that we partially are, a great way of staying in contact with the natural world we should be striving to conserve and care for, and I wouldn't be without it for any money.

"I also fail to see how not using modern farming practices will cause more suffering. Please elaborate"

Presumably you forgot to tag that part of your quote with the name of the person you were replying to, because that is a point I didn't make.

Andrewofgg · 03/06/2015 17:57

mijas99 I hope you have your flameproof undies on.

DamnBamboo Cock-fighting and bear-baiting were forbidden in England for reasons of public order, not for humanitarian reasons. They attracted crowds of the Lower Classes, you see.

While I believe that in Spain the corrida is popular with all levels of society I have never been and would not want to, but I know that it is covered in the art pages, not the sports pages, of the press!

mileend2bermondsey · 03/06/2015 17:58

it's one of the great pleasures of the animal that we partially are, a great way of staying in contact with the natural world we should be striving to conserve

Yeah picking a pre butchered animal off a supermarket shelf is really 'staying in contact with the natural world' Hmm

DamnBamboo · 03/06/2015 18:12

None of that post to which you refer was in response to a comment you wrote iamannogg

The person, whose name I did highlight (can't scroll back to find it) made that last point too - so I didn't highlight it twice.

I know they weren't Andrew but they are still shitty practices which are illegal currently as is any animal fighting!

GobblersKnob · 03/06/2015 18:16

How in holy fuck is it ever 'humane' to cut short the life of another being purely let's not dress this up, as nobody in the west has any need to eat animal flesh, so purely because you quite like the taste.

GRT · 03/06/2015 18:17

"Yeah picking a pre butchered animal off a supermarket shelf is really 'staying in contact with the natural world' hmm"

How is it not? Do you not realise that's something's life sitting in that polystyrene tray?

This is why it should be compulsory for everyone who eats meat to kill and butcher their dinner at least once in their lives. I think the desensitized "this has nothing to do with an animal" thing would soon disappear and people would have due understanding of what the thing is.

I also kind of agree about farming - if it were practical for everyone to hunt free wild animals instead of ones that had been imprisoned for their whole lives I might go for that.

Only thing is, then you'd get a lot of animals killed brutally by sloppy amateurs and/or cruel bastards and a lot of extra pain and suffering, so I guess we're stuck with farming, or all turning vegetarian.

I believe it was Socrates who once said, a life without meat products, well that can fuck off.

DamnBamboo · 03/06/2015 18:20

So GRT you admit that your love of meat and your desire to eat it, trumps any crap life or painful killing that an animal will experience to facilitate that?!

DamnBamboo · 03/06/2015 18:22

the natural world we should be striving to conserve and care for

There is nothing natural about modern farming practices. In no way is this something we should wish to conserve.

GobblersKnob · 03/06/2015 18:23

The farms where animals are raised and the slaughter houses in which they are killed should be made of glass and situated where everyone was free to witness their panic, distress, pain and fear.

Butchering one rabbit quickly and cleanly does not in any way expose what living, breathing, feeling animals have gone through so you can have a fucking barbecue.

GobblersKnob · 03/06/2015 18:29
GRT · 03/06/2015 18:31

"So GRT you admit that your love of meat and your desire to eat it, trumps any crap life or painful killing that an animal will experience to facilitate that?!"

I'm sorry, what am I "admitting"? I think my comment said that in an ideal world animals would not be imprisoned for their whole lives. The reasons that is not practical quite obviously stretch far beyond my personal tastes.

Just to be clear, though, there is nothing to "admit". There is nothing morally wrong or questionable about killing animals to eat or to feed other people with, this is perfectly respectable and upstanding behaviour.

I respect that a fringe of people has decided to pursue a belief that it's wrong to kill animals for food - and really more power to you, good for you, but it's not a valid criticism of the rest of humanity in my opinion. For instance, I happen to believe that it is deeply morally wrong to waste meat because something died for it, so I'm sure there would be some points where we would be on the same lines, there.

penisland · 03/06/2015 19:06

no animal should be ours to kill either for pleasure or food.

They shouldn't be so fucking tasty then should they!

NorahDentressangle · 03/06/2015 19:11

We love our pets.
Doesn't mean we care for them well - think of cats kept indoors in small apartments, cats shut out every night as owners can't be bothered to let them in, dogs/cats left at home alone all day, dogs/cats allowed to become obese, not getting adequate exercise. Rabbits and hamsters shut in cages and forgotten apart form the odd bit of food.
All v cruel.
We care for pets as long as it takes no effort on our part is the rule for many.May farm animals have a better time.

Sickoffrozen · 03/06/2015 19:22

Meat is Murder....

tomatodizzymum · 03/06/2015 19:51

Let's not forget modern farming methods damage the natural environment in all forms. Many wild animals are also killed to protect the fruit, vegetable, cereal and pulse farms the world over. So what's that classed as, manslaughter? Hmm

DamnBamboo · 03/06/2015 20:45

Chillout GRT - admitting something means your'e stating it to be true.
No more no less.
I'ts just not the language that you used... but it should be 'cos that's what it is.

Andrewofgg · 03/06/2015 22:01

Is it right to try to eliminate the malaria mosquito or the tsetse fly or is that some sort of genocide?

After all I would have to assume they are in some small way sentient too . . .

Andrewofgg · 03/06/2015 22:02

Or indeed rats?

cheersfrasier · 03/06/2015 22:04

Completely agree with you

Andrewofgg · 03/06/2015 22:15

cheersfrasier Who are you agreeing with?

cheersfrasier · 03/06/2015 22:20

The original poster. I agree with the statement.

We are not a nation of animal lovers

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