To consider moving to California to hunt down the Dog Whisperer and shag him senseless?

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I fancy him something rotten. I can hardly watch the show. When I see women talking to him I know that they are falling in love with him and not even listening to what he is saying. He is absolutely gorgeous.

I started to watch one of his programmes and I got such bad vibes from him and then understood why when I saw the way he handled a dog. I turned off and will never watch again. As for shagging him - words fail me, I would rather put my feet into boiling oil [shudders].

Every single episode says 'do not attempt this... without the aid of a professional'; why? because he is dealing with very aggressive dogs. Every episode says he 'rehabilitates dogs, he trains people'.

I'd say that he is fairly robust when a highly aggressive dog is attacking him, and that is what I would expect any person to do in that situation. He does not scream, shout or panic though, he brings it back to a calm state and waits till it is relaxed. You can't fake a dog being relaxed, it is incapable of faking that. I will accept that some people think that that is cruel and we would have to agree to disagree on that one.

Not one poster on here is saying how they would behave when they are being properly attacked by a vicious dog - offer food? say sit? Use a clicker? What is it? You have no time to think, it has to be instinctive. So tell me what you do instead of just moaning about someone sorting out a problem in a way you don't like.

What about the episodes with the traumatised dogs - Gavin in the New Orleans devastation or Babygirl or Luna? He didn't bring them to submission, he brought them to relaxation. He didn't use any violence as suggested above, there was no need to use 'robust' strategies because they were not aggressive dogs.

CM doesn't seem to have any interest in teaching dogs to sit, stay, heel, he wants them to be relaxed by using exercise, discipline, affection. He specialises in highly aggressive dogs, which the majority of dogs simply are not so you would never have the need to use dominance techniques for problem behaviour.

I don't want to be some kind of apologist for CM I simply am not that interested in him even if it may appear otherwise. However I am not going to be told that no reputable organisation supports him because that is incorrect as 5 mins on Google shows - there is a long list of organisations that support him (and a list of people who don't). Even the American Humane Society made their peace with him and issued a statement accordingly, and I am not accepting that they are not reputable just because one person on MN say so.

Those dogs aren't relaxed. They are stressed to the point that they shut down. Turn off the volume and watch the dogs. They tell a very different story to the commentary.

Having thought about this I now think you have a really good plan OP. Going to California and shagging him senseless is an excellent plan. If you could do that every day the canines of the world would be much better off. Just make sure its all day every day yep?

Shakes if you read my post I said that he's not supported by any reputable animal behaviour or veterinary organisation. HSUS is neither of those. It's a large, often controversial animal charity with its own objectives and a funding base that will have been drawn into the cleverly-delivered CM media hype. It's not in their interests to continue engaging negatively with him.

And I may just be one person on the Internet, but the links I posted are to the world's leading animal behaviour organisations - it's their opinion. Not mine.

And so-called dominance techniques are nonsensical because if you know anything about dog ethology, you'll know that dominance doesn't exist as character trait in dogs. Highly aggressive dogs are usually incredibly fearful, and in CM's programmes you regularly see him using physical violence to 'dominate' fearful dogs. E.g Holly. When understanding that anxiety is the root of their behaviour and using appropriate counter conditioning would be more effective, and better for welfare. I personally would be pretty skeptical of anything I've seen in tv - do you really think those dogs are all 'fixed', do you really think he never fails? Of course not, but why would they show that on TV?

mrsspooks

Shakes I can answer that one actually. We, as a family and with our dogs, were attacked by a viscous stray dog. DH used a handy chair To fend it off DD1, I tried To pull DD2 behind me whilst also protecting Two 4 month old pups, the larger of our dogs got between DD2 and the attacking dog and our smaller dog counter attacked. I have no idea How it would have turned out if we hadn't been near a coffee shop with empty chairs, or walking alone.

The DDs were stuck at the top of a climbing frame the previous week with this same dog snarling and snapping at the bottom.

This dog did look extremley ill, emaciated, hardly any fur left and open sores, and I haven't seen it since so I expect it died not long after.

QueefOfTheDamned

Those dogs aren't relaxed. They are stressed to the point that they shut down. Turn off the volume and watch the dogs. They tell a very different story to the commentary.

100 percent agree. Revolting man.

I have a vague memory of seeing him on the Alan Titchmarsh show last year. Alan was horrified by him and told him so.

Oh sorry ... I misread ...

I thought u meant dog , the bounty hunter ... Now , there is man I would

Each to their own OP , each to their own !

Alrayyan is it called the Alan Ticthmarsh show? I'm over seas and don't Get much UK TV but I want To see if I can find that on Youtube.

Can you imagine if a man posted this title and OP?

There would be outrage!

Really Painful? Are men not allowed to fancy someone rotten? I think it is completely normal to desire someone and to be honest gender isn't even a factor. God forbid society gets to the stage where we are so politically correct that we can't even say that we have got the hots for someone!

Someone up thread mentioned that Cesar is not tall and therefore unattractive. I don't think I am being unreasonable when I assume that MN is predominantly female and I think it is a bit rich for anyone to categorise someone who is not tall as being unattractive.

I stick by my original post, with one amendment, I don't want to shag the Dog Whisperer I want to make love to him for hours on end.

Toofat exactly each to their own!

Sunshine, you state that he is 'not supported by any reputable animal behaviour or veterinary organisation'. Have you heard of Yale?

adorabelle -yes it was. and not to derail or anything but there is no reason to miss anything. Do you not use film on tv? its just a website, no vpn needed or anything.

Thanks Adorabell that is exactly how I would think people would react to a vicious dog that is attacking - robustly. Are people now going to call your husband appalling for using a chair against a dog? Would people call my husband vicious for using strong physical force to drag a rottie off our 5 year old? If someone specialises in dealing with very aggressive dogs, they are not going to shy away, and that's how I view CM when a dog is attacking him. The vast majority of dogs are not like this so wouldn't need dominance or bite distraction. Most dogs are fine and don't need trainers for behavioural problems. The TV show focuses on extreme cases, often last resort cases where trainer after trainer has failed.

The thing is, when anyone - whether that be blogger or a professional body - says someone is completely wrong and trashing what they do, yet laymen watching a TV show can see that several of his fundamental beliefs seem completely sensible (even if you hate the guy, hate the bite distraction, hate dominance and so on) i.e.

Dogs need to be sufficiently exercised.
Dogs operate best around calm owners.
Don't lavish affection onto a dog when it is too exited, nervous, stressed, save that for when it has calmed.

then it is difficult to understand why they are not saying that certain aspects of his ethos are agreeable but it is specifically 'ABC' they don't like. I can work with that kind of attitude and engage with debate. I cannot work with 'it's all bad' when some of it clearly isn't (per just a few examples above).

And he does 'fail'. He couldn't get Babygirl to eat, he couldn't fix the food aggressive labrador well enough to remain with the family; he couldn't fix the overly energetic dog in NY that the owner found overwhelming; just a few examples and there are more. He openly admits his way is not the only way.

I think I am going to check out of this thread now; Dog Whisperer was a show I watched a few years ago and found fascinating. Whatever you think of his work, CM's back story is really interesting and I admire his drive to escape poverty and make something of himself despite having no education or formal training and his bravery leaving his family and culture behind to skip the border with not a penny to his name. I can appreciate people not liking some of his techniques, but I can't agree with people saying every single thing he does with dogs is wrong. It is going around in circles.

Alrayyan Do you mean Alan Titchmarsh the UKIP supporter? 'Alan was horrified and told him so'. One thing I would absolutely draw the line on is ever ever fantasising about Alan Titchmarsh.

YABU

YABU

He's like David Guest's younger brother

Don't be so jolly silly. There is nothing to link UKIP and dog cruelty. that's just silly and clutching at straws to prove a silly point. its like saying I hate greyhounds because Jill Cooper is their patron and I don't like her books.

Don't know who he is. But if the OP had been written about a woman 'hunt her down and shag her senseless' there would have been outrage.

He didn't use the chair against the dog, as in didn't hit it, he used it To stop the dog getting To DD1.

Thanks alrayyan I haven't tried that website, but lot's I have don't allow access from here. Unfortunatley Chile has a reputación for people treating copyright as a joke.

Boopsy, will have to fight you for Supervet

Well, to be honest, if an aggressive dog was making a move toward my baby niece, I would use all weapons at my disposition, and not care about the humane way. So if I had a chair, the dog would be bashed, maybe to death.
I am not crazy about CM, but showing a dog its place is IMO the best way to avoid bites or stress.

Fortunately your opinion is not shared by actual animal behaviourists

It's likely, the prevalence of misinformation like CM training methods propagated by the media that sadly mean the risk of dog bite injuries to children is increasing