... to be upset with nursery and WWYD? (Includes yucky photo so don't open if eating!)

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So my 2.5 yr old DS went to nursery this morning, normally his nan picks him up but I was able to today.

He loves nursery and is always happy at drop off and pick up so not worried about how they treat him etc.

He often get's a sore bum on nursery days and occassionally hasn't been cleaned properly after a poo which is irritating but have just left it.

Today, however, is a whole new story. Was taking out emptying his nursery bag to get his dirty clothes (they often change them if they get grubby at lunch or in the garden) and his joggers are full of poo. He's still in nappies which we supply to nursery and we never ever get leaks at home, he wasn't soft or runny and it was literally lumps and squashed in as far down as his ankles!

I am absolutely fuming that a) he was left like this for so long without anyone smelling or noticing something and B) that the staff are clearly incompetent at putting nappies on - it shouldn't be that hard shpuld it given how many babies and toddlers they look after and therefore how mamy nappy changes they must do.

So, am I right to be angry? Wwyd? And how would you approach this with nursery without seeming like you're overreacting or one of "those" parents?

You need to speak with the nursery, that is not normal soiling.

My first thought is that it looks like he had no nappy on.
If he definitely had one on I'd say the nappy has come undone or gaped at the crotch either from being to full or not sized properly.

It is bad practice not to mention that the trousers were in such a state. When I worked in daycare we would generally rinse soiled underwear and clothing as much as we could. If an accident happened close to home time we would be really apologetic.
I would certainly mention your concerns about the soreness and the state of the trousers to the supervisor.

Wow. So anyone getting at OP for complaining would have been pleased for their kid to come home with trousers like that

Thanks for all the comments, that's interesting that you mention maybe they forgot the nappy, that would certainly explain the extent of the mess. The nursery are just round the corner so will pop in later when DH gets home and see if they can explain what happened.

As a nursery teacher for many years I can tell you poo gets everywhere and travels quickly. Poos come in many kinds and many varieties. Sometimes it's just a huge amount and then children sit down in it and it pops out of its containing wrappers. By the time staff have tracked down the smell the damage is done. Everything is poo covered. We always tell the parents though when we have dealt with an explosive all covering poo.( We like a bit of sympathy :) )

YY Fanjo. Only on Mumsnet would you get people having a go at a women wanting second to none care for her child.

So, it sounds like this might be something other parents have experienced with their children, but since the OP hasn't I think it is perfectly reasonable to speak to the manager. I would want to do it in person the very next time I dropped off my child rather than on the phone. In person will allow you to easily see whether the manager is already aware of issues and whether he/she gets defensive.

I didn't take my sons' bags home every evening, only if I was told there were dirty clothes, so I would expect to have been told about the incident.

For both my sons I would have been completely shocked to have seen jogging bottoms in such a state.

Has ds got a sore bottom following this?

I personally wouldn't assume he hadn't been changed just from tge state of his trousers as it does occasionally happen that toddlers move the nappy themselves or it shifts while they are active, or they do a particularly explosive poo - but definitely raise your concerns with the manager if you suspect he us being left too long in a dirty nappy.

Regardless of if the nappy exploded, they should have washed his bottoms rather than putting his cacky joggers back in his bag and on his peg, they must have stunk and its really unhygenic to just leave Poo hanging around! Putting it in bag? Disgusting. If I sent my son to his nursery and opened his bag to find that I'd be furious.

Is it possible that because of your sons age one of the nurses thought he didn't use nappies, so didn't put one on him and then this happened? Could be possible. My son is 2 and if I put the nappy on correctly and do his vest up I never see anything at all like that photo, if that's not normal for your son when he's at home and has never happened while he is in your care then I would definitely question it.

As for people saying it's normal and they can't see what the problem is, they must have never had to pay through the nose for childcare to then have their Childs basic needs neglected!

Royal where do you suggest the nursery rinse off underwear or clothes in that condition, in hand washing sinks or the kitchen sink? Most nurseries don't have the separate sluice sinks required to rinse soiled clothes.

Also I assumed that the joggers had been put into a tied carrier bag rather than loose in the child's bag?

Op have a chat with the nursery staff and find out what happened. Accidents do happen but you should of been informed at pick up time.

With him being two and a half are they toilet training the group at the moment and forgot to tell you?

Double two of the nurseries I worked in had utility sinks for this kind of thing. The ones that didn't had buckets or unfortunately would send trousers home as in the OP.
Seeing as poo and vomit are commonplace in childcare settings ones that don't have the provision to clean it up correctly are ill equipped IMO.

Ours have washing machines, leaving Poo in a bag for parents to collect is a massive issue, as it could have been there all day, another child could have opened the bag, the poo could have been the start of a DV bug which would have then been hanging around all day.

If they can't rinse dirty trousers how are they washing the sheets and blankets in the napping facilities for babies? Or their own polo shirts which potentially get covered in vomit from the younger children?

The majority of nurseries have facilities to wash this sort of thing or rinse it and ones that don't shouldn't really be charging you to send your kids there as they are obviously poorly equipped!

tea i appreciate explosions happen (and feel very sorry for those that have to clean up) I don't know, my first thought was that he'd been left a while which is why it has spread so spectacularly, I guess that's the trouble when children can't actually tell you what happened it makes it difficult to get to the bottom of it (pardon the pun ).

Thanks live I appreciate the support, I do think this kind of mess is avoidable (except in bad tummy / really soft poo scenarios) but maybe we've just been really lucky - thank
Christ!

The joggers were in a carrier bag thank goodness but still gag inducing when I found them.

The nursery do actually have a utility room with washing machine etc so could have rinsed them out - if they were brave enough .

shrunkenhead in a way I seriously hope that is the case - although he is definitely not ready.

I will update when I've spoken to nursery later when DH get's home.

I hope you have had a chance to speak to the nursery op, I would say if this happened with the nappy on that the nappy was very full and hanging down. This might also explain why ds has been getting a sore bottom.
It is basic childcare, changing nappies and having worked in a nursery I really don't see how they could forget. Where I last worked we filled in a slip each day recording nappy changes, eating, sleeping and activities.
I would be concerned if they are toilet training without ops knowledge as this would also be quite bad practice.
I hope you get some resolution.

Some settings may have washing machines to wash sheets, blankets and bibs etc but you can't put something with big lumps of shit attached in a washing machine.

Of course in an ideal world all settings would have sluice sinks and be able to rinse items like this.

Op, as a pp pointed out they should be recording nappy changes including time changed, member of staff who changed him and any other info I.e explosive nappies. Disgusting that you weren't informed about it and had to open the bag blind as it were .

You need to be having a word.

It doesn't need to be cross, merely assertive. There has to be closer attention to nappy admin than there is, and if there is a staff problem behind the issue, the manager needs to deal with that.

Could the poo not have been spread around the trousers due to the way they were folded and squished in the bag, iyswim? So a bad poo-splosion but in normal trouser places, which then spread to the ankles etc due to folding?

double have you worked in childcare? As a practitoner myself, I've found dealing with things like that is just part of the job. I was trained by people who taught me you need to take care and have pride in all aspects of the job. Caring for a sick child until a parent can pick up and poo explosions included!

None of the setting's I worked or trained in were lucky enough to have propper faslilities for dealing with soiled clothing. But none of them would have sent home like that unless it happened right a pick up time and I'm certain most would still have offered to rinse them.

A soiled bucket with a lid and jug is all that's needed to deal with it without a sink. No need for anything to be contaminated, dirty water down the toilet when finished. In one of the nurseies I worked in if an accident like that happened at the start of the day it could have been hanging around for ten hours. I wouldn't want to work in a setting that let that happen and certaintly wouldn't send dd there.

At the very least you would expect them to remove any solid lumps- you either shake it into the toilet or put your hand inside a nappy bag and scoop it out and bin with the nappies. You can see actual lumps in the picture.

And I have been warned by nursery when DD's clothes have been nowhere near that state- if she's required a change of clothes it's noted on her going home slip, and why the change was needed, and when there's been pooey clothes in her bag I've been verbally warned as well!

On my first day working in a nursery (I was qualified) I put a nanny on backwards as had only dealt with cloth nappies before. I was not allowed to change nappies on training placements and had only changed them when babysitting. The nursery also allowed only a certain amount of baby wipes per room per week so we changed all wet nappies with no clean-up and all poo nappies got a big wipe with a paper towel then one baby wipe to freshen up. I realise this was really bed but I was 17 and this was the status quo on arrival & manager/owner was a bit scary. As I nanny I have met many people who worked in a nursery for a short time and swiftly decided it's not for them and never want their kids to attend one either. I do realise there are good nurseries but bad ones and poor staff etc are not uncommon.
I think you are right to complain, it's unclear what went wrong but totally fair to ask them to bag up the dirty clothes properly and warn you/explain what happened.

That's awful about the baby wipes- if they're being that tight why not just ask parents to provide them?! Where I am it's quite usual for parents to provide nappies, wipes and milk (other than cows' milk).

Dobby, yes I have. Bodily fluids don't bother me as you say it's part of the job. The issue with rinsing was raised by my local authorities environmental health department and ofsted . If you wish to take It up with them I can send you their contact details.

Personally I would have attempted to remove the poo and flush it down the toilet but can see why an in experienced practitioner wouldn't of.

That's intresting double in our area nursery I was in was praised by our local environmental health team by how well soiled items were delt with. An ofsted inspection, about 10 years ago, were concerned with soiled clothing hanging around, it was one of the points they had to address when the report was published.

It would also have failed part of the inspection by an idependent school's raiting system without the proper procedures in place for rinsing washing.

Can I ask what sort of concences they raised?