To be quite angry about proposed changes to 3-4yo childcare- only for ALL working parents?

[AcademicOwl]

Ok, Queen's speech.
Proposal to increase 'free'* childcare to 30hrs for 3-4 year olds.

BUT only if all parents working.

As I understand, the current provision for 3-4 yo there are no caveats re parents working. So ok for SAHMs & SAHDs. Gives children chance to socialise pre-school, parents to find feet again and possibly find work.

I've got 2 DC under 5, and worked 3 days a week, so understand costs of childcare (I.e. Two in childcare = more than I earn by about £200pcm). Expecting DC 3 in Oct, so was considering a year out on a career break... Help make costs manageable, support family whilst they are titchy, etc. but DC 2 prob wouldn't be eligible for 'free' childcare if I do that.

Can't help but feel this is discriminating against SAHPs & again undervaluing the importance of parenting choices and the family unit...

What'd you want to bet they'll remove current 'free' provision?

*'free' because in our patch it isn't. The nursery work out how much money it contributes to your monthly bill, then you have to make up difference.and, yes, they are allowed to do that... I investigated at length a couple of years ago.

Grrrr!!!!

littlemonster

Would you like to provide the link for your search please.
Wasn't this what got you banned before.
You need to be careful what you say about people's business affairs.

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I seem to remember people reporting posts of yours calling my dc before. I wasn't bothered but they seemed to object, they were deleted too.

Could this be 2 previously banned posters turning up again?

I have never been banned morethan
No one has posted anything that you haven't posted time and again on threads.

I have never been deleted either

Well MNHQ are sorting it out as your post and littlemonster have very similar comments to those deleted previously.
At least one of those posters was banned, the other had the posts about my children deleted.

For those asking why Sahp need childcare...

In very deprived areas, or in ss type cases, neglected children can benefit hugely from attending nursery. For these children, often neither parent works, and has a low level education. The children might be fed, clothed and housed minimally, but spend all day in the house with the TV, or out on the street playing.

These kids desperately need nursery for their social and educational development. Despite "Sahp".

You can't have it both ways. SAHPs can't be the best parents going and the most neglectful.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1744077-To-consider-this-a-job-and-receive-payment-tax-credit

Took seconds to do an advanced search using user name and tax credits. Quite clearly shows the intent to become am employee to net more tax credits and to get round the rules for UC. Your words not mine.

Nothing wrong bringing it up, you posted it so it was a secret and presumably the search button is there to be used.

No one has posted anything you haven't freely posted yourself morethan

Not sure why you are thinking anyone was banned - they would have to be insulting or derogatory . You have posted this stuff yourself.

Definitely children of a sahp need and should be able to access pre school education.
All children irrespective of household income or parents employment status need education.
I think many sahp's need a break some time too, a nursery worker wouldn't be on duty all those hours and never have a break. there are some families that don't have extended family to do the odd bit of baby sitting or cover for hospital appointments etc.
Maybe a sahp wouldn't need 30 hours perhaps the 15 would be enough or even less from a younger age.

My sister and her partner both work full time and earn over 30k. When their DD hit 2, they weren't entitled to any free childcare. However, our cousin and her partner do not work and they were entitled to it? \

It seemed very unfair to me. I am glad it is changing.

Littlemonster

And? I asked a bloody question 2 years ago, mainly because I didn't understand.
You have spent so many threads until you were banned talking about a 2 year old thread. You even followed me round threads some posters found it amusing and commented on it.
I believe the last time was the end of last year or beginning of this year.
Anyway, as i said MNHQ can sort it out again as reported some time ago.

I'd love to hear the reaction when all the working parents went part time or decided to have a SAHP, as more than suggested. Where are all the spare teachers going to come from? or GP's? These professions are made up of more than 50% women, many of whom are parents. I hope you don't complain when we have to beg thousands of people from other countries to come here to fill the vacancies.

Well quite fancy

Its such a tiny world these people inhabit ,where everything revolves around them and their DC.
They seem to forget that the nasty WOHP provide services they rely on.
They don't get paid for doing nothing .

Well I made a sacrifice to my salary to sah and look after our dc. After paying for childcare working would be hardly worthwhile. Dh earns 60k and I can assure you works a damn lot harder than I had to when I worked and earned 16k ish.
we as a unit pay more tax and ni than 2 earning 30k each although I accept they have childcare costs.
I have no problem subsidising those earning less than us but many able to claim are consierably better off.
plus all these people who say kids are a lifestyle choice and no one should subsidise other people to have kids seem to have gone a bit quiet although I accept I haven't read whole thread.

This thread was absolutely not about sahm vs wohm but some posters on here are determined for a bun fight

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I've also reported your earlier post which contained completely unwarranted comments about morethans children

That's your choice cotswolds
I earned considerably more than 16K and so it would not have been in my interests career wise to give up WOH or in my DC best interests .

I did several years training and studying to get where I am, It wasn't luck,it came with sacrifices.
Those sacrifices and WOH benefit others - teachers, nurses doctors, social workers, shop assistants, opticians - all WOHP do a job which benefits others outside of their family circle.
There seems to be an idea being touted that WOHP do it for their own benefit and ends - they also give a service back to society in the job they do.

Really baffled?? - morethan has posted many times her DC are happy in the jobs they do .

fancy

just an idea, maybe not thought through properly though
Although, some of the teachers I know would love pt work so they could be less stressed and with their dc more.

Cotswold- your decision. I'd just point out though, that many people on 16k are slogging their guts out, even if you weren't.

And speaking from personal experience, I'd say my work life was a damn sight tougher in my early years after qualifying when I was on about half what I earn now.
Besides, I really hope we've moved beyond the era when a wife proudly proclaims what her husband earns, as if it's some kind of joint achievement, rather than achieving in her own right.
And yes- I quite understand about the whole teamwork and support thing- how do you think we function in families where both parents work? DH and I support eachother to the hilt, professionally and in terms of raising our family.
Please not let's hark back to some 'golden' yesteryear when wives were seen as an appendage to their husbands' achievements

May have childcare costs. If they're secondary age or have relatives near by of do shift work or work part time they may well not.

Oh and the husband on 60k and wife on 16k is not a model we all aspire to anymore. And I'm speaking as an old gimmer of over 50! Some of us have had a working life where we've earned equally to our husband. And I certainly haven't brought up my dd to expect to be supported by a man earning 4 x what she can, or indeed my ds to support a wife singlehandedly if he doesn't want to.

There's nothing wrong with being a SAHM with a husband on 60k if it floats both your boats, but you're not going to get the sympathy vote if you start complaining.

With 30 hours subsidised childcare though cotswold, you can go back to work :)

Cotsowlds, people don't pay tax as a unit any more though do they? Separate taxation became the practice some time ago.

I sometimes feel like Ive fallen into the 1950s on MN

Only sometimes, 32?