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To want to know if the ruddy rail workers are striking or not?

172 replies

AbsoluteGonk · 20/05/2015 19:11

Booked half term trip to London for DS, DN and me. Then heard about the proposed strike. Tried to cancel tickets but was told I had to wait until Monday to see if the strike goes ahead!

Anyone have any idea?

Angry
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sarascompact · 21/05/2015 18:11

Mine's a Scotch and soda please RatPig. :)

I get the feeling that the train strike would have had very little adverse effect upon you Margot.

MargoReadbetter · 21/05/2015 18:37

I don't commute by rail, if that's what you mean. I drive in to work so the roads would be worse and I'd have to leave earlier, get in later, spend less time with the kids. DH commutes by train and he's usually affected. Guess what, the world goes on despite this small inconvenience to us.

Why don't you suggest more effective methods of getting your grievances heard? Without resorting to sadface in the Daily Mail.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 21/05/2015 18:52

Thing is though, if the staff decided to open the gates and let people on without paying then the employer could almost certainly discipline or even sack them. The legislation on industrial action is very tight. If they turn up for work they will be working under a contract. You can work to rule ie to the level specified in the contract or not at all and not be paid.
You cannot go into work and break the rules. Maybe you can in other countries with a more flexible interpretation of industrial action but not here.

Geepee71 · 21/05/2015 18:54

Apparently strike has been called off, just on national news

RatPig · 21/05/2015 19:17

Hurrah for giddy. Someone else with common sense.

margo - 'Why don't you suggest more effective methods of getting your grievances heard?' What, like striking?! Grin

Esmum07 · 21/05/2015 19:31

There's one method they could try, has been suggested on here but the railway unions will never sanction. Open the gates, not man the ticket offices and drive the trains on the Bank Holiday. Imagine that for the struggling families we currently have - a day out with nothing to pay for transport. Those who have to work, as someone said, wouldn't be any better off as they have season tickets but those who had the day off would love the train drivers! The railway companies would hate it and would probably put managers etc on the barriers and ticket offices. Who would the public hate then? The rail companies. Who would they have sympathy with? The good old train drivers 'who deserve every penny because, instead of making our lives difficult for the day, tried to show how good our rail network is, why they are important and tried to give us, also hard working people, a cheap day out'.

That's just one suggestion - not saying it's ideal but many (not all, I know that) of the general public are getting sick of taking the brunt every time someone wants a pay rise or better conditions. I'm not saying they do or don't deserve what they are asking for. All I am saying is people are struggling, many on zero hour contracts (which are wrong) and to add to their struggles by striking if you operate the trains is wrong.

I know it's bank holiday, it would have affected fewer people work-wise but that date was chosen to effect the kids holidays. The next one will be mid week and effect many more people.

And it's not just work, which is a 'minor' inconvenience apparently. My DS has a congenital heart condition. He goes for an annual check up to a major kids hospital. We have to travel by train as it is hard to park, if not impossible, where we travel to. Usually the train is no problem. But if there's a train strike his appointment is effected, not by a day (the department is usually backed up with appointments). If I have had to try to change it because of conflicting appointments (my mum has alzheimers so I have to take her for treatments too) I'm usually looking at a 2-3 month wait. This isn't an inconvenience. This is his life, because if the valve in his heart is failing we have no indication other than that heart check that something is wrong. If it fails he dies if we aren't quick off the mark.

For that reason we never cancel - never. And before you say that is a one in a million chance of a strike happening on his appointment day - I know that. But it is an example of something that is more than a mere 'inconvenience'. There will be people who need to go for hospital appointments when the next strike is on. For them it is not an 'inconvenience'. It is treatment, diagnosis, stress, extra waiting time or possibly worse with a diagnosis that takes too long for the sake of one day. I know that's emotive but your 'inconvenience' sneer Margo is insulting.

The trains are not just used by workers every day. That seems to get forgotten by the unions who never use imagination to solve the problem. It's 'down tools and shrug off criticism'. Because it's only one day right? Well no, actually, in my DS's case it's another 2-3 month wait and he is one of the lucky ones.

I don't work for the railways. I do know my old type of work though and I know how I could have caused least problems for my customers whilst hitting the pockets of my bosses. I would think a few intelligent rail workers could come up with another suggestion or two to hit the right people.

The Clyde shipworkers did a work in in the 70s (see, going back even further, what am I like? Oh well...), didn't put other workers jobs in jeopardy by striking, saved their jobs for a while by proving they were needed and did vital work (they were, if I remember rightly, having their shipyard closed and kept it open for another 5 years or so instead of closing that year). That takes imagination and it takes guts. Sadly lacking today.

Esmum07 · 21/05/2015 19:33

Oops, crossed with Giddy, sorry.

OliveCane · 21/05/2015 19:39

What's the latest on this? Is the strike still going ahead?

Esmum07 · 21/05/2015 19:41

No, called off OliveCane.

OliveCane · 21/05/2015 19:43

Ok according to Twitter Virgin has put the trains backs on:

@VirginTrains: #VTInfo As a result of unions’ industrial action being cancelled, the original timetabled services have been reinstated for 25th & 26th May.

OliveCane · 21/05/2015 19:43

Thanks esmum Smile

MargoReadbetter · 21/05/2015 20:03

Esmum - it's not a sneer, it's what people were moaning about: holiday plans inconvenienced. You've said yourself you could drive but parking is difficult. Parking anywhere in the centre of London is difficult or expensive. I wouldn't change an appointment for that reason, plan around it. As you would if there were flooding on the line or similar.

And I'll have to disagree that strikers have to come up with some gimmick to "win" over the public. They're not performance artists. But then that's why we have a bloody PR man in charge of this country.

sarascompact · 21/05/2015 20:04

"I don't commute by rail, if that's what you mean. I drive in to work so the roads would be worse and I'd have to leave earlier, get in later, spend less time with the kids. DH commutes by train and he's usually affected."

By "affected" I don't suppose you mean "loses a days pay and so struggles to pay this month's electricity installment". That's the reality for a lot of working people, along with having to walk miles to the next village's bus stop or pay upwards of £46 to take a cab to and from work that day, so it's barely worth going in to earn that minimum wage.

Poor you, having to get your car off the drive earlier and get home a bit later.

Please be comforted that I'll not be resorting to Daily Mail sadfaces to get my point across. I don't know where you got the idea that anyone might.

MargoReadbetter · 21/05/2015 20:14

No, we wouldn't struggle to that extent. I haven't asked for sympathy either.

sarascompact · 21/05/2015 20:32

No, I didn't think for one moment that you would struggle to that extent. I also don't think that you'd given much, if any, thought or sympathy to those who will.

I know several people for whom this would be the case. My friend would lose a days pay and struggle to pay all the bills this month. My niece would have to pay £45-50 pounds for a cab to work and back, on threat of otherwise losing her minimum wage job. My other niece would be walking to the bus stop three and a half miles away, then taking a second bus, leaving home at 7.30 for a 10am shift, on her feet for 12 hours working and not getting home again until nearly midnight.

You're right, you don't need sympathy. You're alright Jack. So are those who can afford to lose a days pay and go on strike. I'm all out of sympathy anyway. I've spent it all on the poor powerless buggers who would be paying the price of the strikes.

Cheers, RatPig. Chin-chin! :)

GiddyOnZackHunt · 21/05/2015 20:52

sara just wanted to come back to the question you asked me last night when I was indeed asleep :) It wasn't that I was questioning whether you do or don't have irregular hours and unpaid leave, it was more trying to quantify it. In my line of work there are lots of people who do short term contracts for agencies, so it can be irregular hours, unpaid leave and no work no pay, but they are well paid for the hours they do work. They could also say if they don't work they don't eat, but you'd have to take it with a pinch of salt. Or it could be a zero hours contract somewhere on a low wage that has the same kind of no work no pay outcome. But without the cushion that a higher hourly rate can buy you.
And I guess that if it's more a case of the latter then the question needs to be why people are subject to these kind of working practices that leaves them with no room to wriggle, that are impacted so heavily by the loss of one day's pay? Has the erosion of union and workers' rights driven down the terms and conditions for more people? Allowing more 'flexibility' for companies on employment (code for easier to hire and fire), zero hours contracts etc is part of the problem and people should be angry about that too.

MargoReadbetter · 21/05/2015 21:15

Sarascompact - what you're describing is exactly why you should be supporting unions and their activity. Because there are so many shit jobs around. It's become a race to the bottom. I'm glad others are prepared to lose a day's pay to go on strike. Who knows, maybe your niece will want to have a better paid job one day? Not have to rely on one extra day's work to keep the wolf away from the door?

MargoReadbetter · 21/05/2015 21:15

And what Giddy says.

MargoReadbetter · 21/05/2015 21:18

Night night for now as I have an early start.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 21/05/2015 21:43

Night Margot Smile

outtolunchagain · 28/05/2015 20:53

Back on again now 4th and 9th June

KenAdams · 28/05/2015 21:34

I have one day between my boss coming back from holiday and me going on mine to do a handover. That day is 5th June. Needless to say, if this isn't called off, none of us are getting into the office Angry

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