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Why can't I find a nanny?!

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BooChunky · 12/05/2015 15:42

I've been looking for a nanny for four days a week (Wednesday's off) because I'm going back to uni. Every nanny we've spoken to we've stressed that I'm not sure what my schedule will be exactly so we're happy to agree to a daily rate now, so that if I end up home early everyday and let them go, they're not going to be out of pocket. We do have a dog but I'm putting him in doggy day care every nanny day so he won't be an issue for anyone and she won't have to take care of him. We've been really informally interviewing, and during the interview had agreed to 10ph and four weeks holiday, all bank holidays etc... So we really loved 2 of the nannies and invited them back to meet our 2 children and see how they got on. (Though I know this could go badly just because children are unpredictable!)

So, we loved Nanny 1. She was so sweet, my youngest child really took to her (nearly 2, and very clingy to me) and she agreed to the money.... I wanted to offer her the job on the spot, but we had already arranged to see nanny 2 the next day.

So Nanny 2 arrives (after me raving about her to DH about her 10 years experience and how easy it was to chat to her) and it was completely awkward. Then she started on her demands... She wants her 4 weeks holiday and all bank holidays, but also Easter holidays and mid December until January 3rd... Paid. We need someone 4 days a week with Wednesday's off, this was specified a lot and mentioned in our profile, on the phone and at her first interview. Well, she doesn't want that. She's decided she wants Fridays off because she just loves to take long weekends. And if she 'liked the family enough' she would agree to their schedule but she doesn't feel she can at the moment - oh dear! She won't use her own car (although her profile says she will), and needs to authorise the car we want her to use, as we may not have considered it's safety for children. She also wants to be paid 45p a mile for local driving even though we would have to cover all car expenses. She reminds us how great she is, and how wonderful a nanny she would be... A lot. She tells us she's going straight off to another interview so we need to hurry if we want her.

Well, um, we don't anymore!

So Nanny 1... she's very young, she only has 8 months experience and her spelling etc on her cv was awful! But she was so so sweet and lovely and we really wanted to give her a chance because she was just so likeable. She already agreed to 10ph and 4 weeks holiday plus bank holidays and Christmas week so we called and offered her the job...

She comes back to us saying she's changed her mind. She wants £14ph. Minimum.

Fuck.

We really like her so we write a long message saying that my oldest will be at school all day, My youngest will start nursery next year and the following year full time school, so as a long term job it will get easier and easier, the children loved you, we loved you but financially we just can't do £14... We can look to review it in 6 months but for now we can only do 12ph but we've got to look at some finances.

She comes back to us saying that actually, even 12 - 14 wouldn't be enough.

Back to the drawing board.

It must be me?! What are we doing wrong? Is this ridiculously cheap for a nanny? Is 4 days a week weird? Is the 2 meeting process odd?

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PoohBearsHole · 12/05/2015 16:10

Sounds like a bit of a nightmare. I am in the South East, my nanny has 20 years+ experience, she drives her own car (I pay 45p per mile for this), she has worked for me for 3 years, has all the necessary checks in place, also is qualified in Special Needs - although I couldn't tell you what as we are fortunate enough not to require these skills, I pay her £10 p/h (just increased from £9 in the past year, her suggestion and request) - she sorts her own tax etc.

I found her through her previous nursery job and poached her. Now kids are at school she has agreed to stay on and now comes in and does things around the house, especially the kids rooms and the beds. I know I am really lucky and it took a long time to find someone who fitted in with us. I don't want to lose her during the holidays and am quite happy to have a little bit of help.

On another note, your nanny is asking for more money than I currently receive in my demanding role with 10 years experience.........

MargolottaOfUberwold · 12/05/2015 16:22

wow, I have a professional job and get paid a lot less the £14 p/h net

I love kids, frankly this thread makes me think I should re-train

BooChunky · 12/05/2015 16:24

This whole experience is making me think I should retrain! Ive never earned £14ph in my life!

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sparechange · 12/05/2015 16:29

£14h net in Surrey is outrageously high!

Can you go through an agency? They'll want a cut, but even that will work out cheaper over the first year than paying someone £14h

sparechange · 12/05/2015 16:31

foxinsocks
If you employ a nanny, you are legally obliged to pay their tax and NI
Therefore it is the norm to advertise jobs with Net salaries

MissMooMoo · 12/05/2015 16:32

Hi OP I am a nanny, working 4 days a week and make £25k.
I think the problem is that the day off is a Wednesday, I personally would not take a 4 day job if the day off wasn't a Monday or Friday.

MissMooMoo · 12/05/2015 16:35

also its possible that they have found a position that is better suited for them personally.
I was offered a job making more money when I got my current one.
I chose the current one because its walking distance and I hated having to commute everyday.
it means I have no excuse for being late (which previously sent me into a panic if my train was delayed) and I know I will be home at a reasonable hour every day.

BooChunky · 12/05/2015 16:36

I haven't chosen the Wednesday to be awkward Wink that's the day I've been told I'll definitely have no lectures... So that's the day I'm putting in things like my kids swimming lessons etc so she doesn't have to do it.

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MissMooMoo · 12/05/2015 16:37

yes I know that, just trying to shed some light on why it may be off putting for some people.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 12/05/2015 16:38

I would say you are making a rod for your own back with all the stuff about not knowing your hours etc - you are making it sound complex and in certain and adding layers of difficulty in terms of how they will perceive it. You should speak to local agencies to get an idea of going rate and then advertise a simple 4 day per week job. Leave all the uncertainty out.

Patapouf · 12/05/2015 16:38

Where have you been looking for them?

Can people stop comparing nannies to cleaners? Nannies often have qualifications and it's a high risk job, you're lookijg after somebody's most precious thing. It's hardly the same as cleaning!
And as for 'sorts her own tax' bloody hell!

In many countries a 4 day week for a nanny is the norm, if I were to nanny again this wouldn't bother me in the slightest. How do you know you won't have uni on a Wednesday, but will the other 4?
For somebody with 3+ years experience I think you should be offering 12-13ph. Someone with no experience/isn't qualified should be happy with 10!

CheerfulYank · 12/05/2015 16:39

I'd jump at it! I'm a CM for a few families in my home and I get a lot less than that.

Patapouf · 12/05/2015 16:40

Oops, x post boo

BooChunky · 12/05/2015 16:48

But surely not knowing my hours and the possibility of leaving early paid is a bonus? They'll never stay longer than the hours agreed but if my lectures aren't 9-5 then they will.

The university can't tell me my schedule but did tell me that my particular course doesn't run on a Wednesday.

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BooChunky · 12/05/2015 16:49

If someone is newly qualified with only 8 months experience is it not a tad cheeky to want 14ph plus?

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foxinsocks · 12/05/2015 16:54

sparechange advertising a salary gross does not mean you don't pay their tax!

You should never advertise salaries net - you create a rod for your own back. It is a ludicrous way for employers or agencies to behave. If you advertise it gross, you still pay over their PAYE and NI to HMRC (plus the employer's NI on top) but the net is subject to the tax laws of the land at the time which is the way 95% of people get paid.

You don't in your own job as say an accountant, or receptionist, or engineer have your job advertised with a net salary.

Patapouf · 12/05/2015 16:54

I agree, early finishes that are paid are great!

It's beyond fucking cheeky, I wouldn't have bothered appeasing her by trying to offer 12. The way a candidate behaves in an interview/the hiring process is a serious indicator of how she will be as a nanny. Do you want a grabby nanny? The candidate with a decade of experience is more than entitled to ask for 14ph hour. But having a lot of experience doesn't always mean she's going to be a nice nanny.

Ideally you want someone who is great with a decent amount of experience too.

foxinsocks · 12/05/2015 16:58

Boo, I am worried that you haven't worked the numbers out properly. Have you worked out how much £14 ph net actually is once you gross it up?

£14 ph net at 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year is roughly £29k

Grossed up that comes to around £38k (!)

And you pay that OUT of your after tax earnings....plus the employer's NI

Jackiebrambles · 12/05/2015 16:58

The leaving early would be great, but she can't rely on it can she?

Its not like she can make plans to go and do something else with the extra free time, because she isn't going to know until you walk through the door?

Although maybe I'm misunderstanding and you would be able to tell her when you are clearer on your timetable?

foxinsocks · 12/05/2015 16:59

also if you advertise net and she has a funny tax code, you will have to pay for that! Please don't go along with net salary advertising....

Flyinggeese21 · 12/05/2015 17:01

Jackie I assume that the day rate is to cover all day and any early leaving would just be a bonus. OP?

Patapouf · 12/05/2015 17:02

She doesn't need to rely on that time jackie she's getting paid for it. As far as she needs to be concerned her working hours are until 6, but in September the OP can tell her exactly as she'll have her timetable then.

QueenStromba · 12/05/2015 17:20

What type of course are you doing? You could end up with very little time where you actually need to be on campus (although having one lecture in the morning and then something else in the afternoon is something that happens fairly frequently). Have you asked the university for this year's timetable? I wouldn't go making plans based on it but in my experience timetables don't change dramatically from year to year. Would you still need a nanny if you only had one 9 o clock lecture a week, for example?

chrome100 · 12/05/2015 17:24

Bloody hell, I'll do it! That sounds like a great arrangement. I can't understand why they are demanding so much money.

Imsosorryalan · 12/05/2015 17:28

We had the issue. No one wanted the job and the two we had lined up, told us they had changed their minds a couple of weeks before I was due to go back to workConfused and my two would have been at school and nursery part of the days. We finally employed one woman and it was a disaster. My youngest hated her, turned out she was ignoring or shouting at her most of the time!
We ended up sacking her and going to a lovely local childminder with a low no of children on the days we needed it. She is also flexible and is term time only which is great as I only work term time only too. I would never trust a nanny again sadly