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To ask why you are worried about a Tory government?

144 replies

NolanThorne · 10/05/2015 23:14

Genuinely interested. I'm not British and didn't vote. My husband a FIL are saying this is the first time in a long time they are NOT worried about the UK. If you are worried, why specifically?

OP posts:
FriendofBill · 13/05/2015 01:17

The poor will die sooner than the wealthier, this is one example, but it's accross the board pretty much.

To ask why you are worried about a Tory government?
FriendofBill · 13/05/2015 01:18

And our children soon lose out, regardless of potential.

To ask why you are worried about a Tory government?
FriendofBill · 13/05/2015 01:20

But you keep bashing!
Convince yourself we got it good.
Breathing your air and that.

across

LaVolcan · 13/05/2015 09:17

Unfortunately, when you punish the cheats by cutting benefits for everyone you are taking food, shelter and clothing away from the families that do need it. Have you actually read any of people's accounts on this thread? People who are truly struggling? Or can you not get past your fixation on benefits cheats?

Wish there was a 'like' thread for the post above.
The blatant near fascism displayed on some of the other threads is truly depressing.

MishMooshAndMogwai · 13/05/2015 09:31

HeeHiles for PM!!

fortyfide · 13/05/2015 11:42

Because of the "nasty party" history of the Tories. They always bash the poor because they know the poor will never vote for them. Cameron puts compassion on the ration.

RoboticSealpup · 13/05/2015 13:23

Because they are the party of the elite. They do not represent the majority, not 'working people' an not the working class. Nor do they represent the interests of people who think they are middle class just because they went to university and own a house.

I really cannot be bothered to recount all of their destructive policies here, as they are too many to mention, but know this: unless you're very rich and privileged, they really are not your party. The fact that they have managed to persuade the lower classes that their poverty is the fault of EU migrants / people pretending to be disabled whilst living in a five-bedroom house with seven children and a flatscreen TV, and the fact that aspiring middle class people think voting Tory will help their social mobility (hint: it won't), are some of the reasons we now have a government who truly could not give less of a shit about 90% of us.

larkspurr · 13/05/2015 13:37

Because I am a teacher and a parent, and under Tory guidance the previous government fragmented our education system, dismantling local authorities and selling off schools to profit-making academy chains and Tory donors who avoid paying tax. Because they wasted a fortune on the Free School scheme - despite there being no evidence it would improve outcomes - while completely neglecting to plan for the primary school places crisis due to hit in 2017 - the year my daughter will begin school. Because the Tories do not feel the need for teachers to be qualified, and they have denigrated and pressurised teachers to the extent that many teacher training places are going unfilled and it is becoming very difficult to hire good qualified teachers for some subjects (including English and Maths).

Bursarymum · 13/05/2015 14:54

Robotic - I really couldn't agree more. You are absolutely right. And I strongly believe that a lot of people are going to regret voting the conservatives in when the cuts him them.

Bursarymum · 13/05/2015 14:54

Hit*

HeeHiles · 13/05/2015 15:02

Cameron puts compassion on the ration Grin

Pyjamaramadrama · 13/05/2015 16:32

Heehiles I couldn't agree with you more.

PtolemysNeedle · 13/05/2015 16:58

This wasn't aimed at me, but I'll answer anyway.

Does it not bother you that MPs are using taxpayers money to fund their 2nd homes then selling them and keeping the profit?

Slightly, I'd rather there were state owned properties that MPs could use as a second home while they need to, but as high earners go, mp's aren't especially well paid, and I don't mind the people who run our country having perks, I just wish they'd do a better job to earn them.

Does it not bother you that MPs are still abusing their expenses?

MPs should be paid expenses, as should people in many jobs, but they should be reasonable ones. I think the situation is a lot better than it was, but I'd be interested in reading a link that shows MPs are abusing expenses now.

Does it not bother you that global corporations are paying less tax than British based businesses?

As long as they are paying the taxes they owe, and are contributing to the economy through employment, NI etc as well, no it doesn't bother me. Companies that trade internationally aren't obliged to be based here, we are no more important than the rest of the world.

Does it not bother you that Non Doms and Oligarchs are avoiding their tax obligations?

It bothers me that people who own property here and live abroad aren't obliged to pay more tax, but I don't blame people for minimising the tax they have to pay. They still pay, and contribute to the economy) much more than most.

Does it not bother you that councils are GIVING Property developers publicly owned land to 'regenerate' and sell homes to foreign investors?

I don't know details about councils giving away property, but I don't suppose that councils are entirely stupid. If they don't have the funds to regenerate somewhere that needs to be regenerated, I can't see the problem with letting private investors do the job. I'd rather see foreign property investors be put off using our limited property stock via taxation.

Does it not bother you that your taxes are being used to pay BTL LL's mortgages?

My taxes don't pay BTL LLs mortgages. Partly because the majority of private landlords won't accept HB tenants so it's more likely to go to a housing association that's supposed to invest in social housing anyway, but also because HB isn't claimed by second homeowners wanting to pay off their mortgage, it's claimed by people who can't afford to house themselves on their own. I'd rather those people were given state assistance to have a suitable home than have them on the streets.

I can have opinions on all of those things, and still have completely separate opinions on our welfare system.

sourdrawers · 13/05/2015 17:12

Economic recovery? For those in the middle?

Worried? I'm shitting myself here OP.....The Tories have destroyed more then 500,000 public sector workers - police, nurses, midwives, teachers, teaching assistants, lolly pop ladies, caretakers, elderly care wardens, educational welfare officers, family liaison officers, social workers etc etc. And that's nothing...! There's another half a million to follow. Osborne has announced £16bn in further cuts, which will greatly impinge not only on the weakest, poorest, disabled and unemployed etc, it will heavily impinge of the staff employed in our vital services, which means disruption of services in our schools, hospitals, care for the elderly, local public services, and our local economies.

LaVolcan · 13/05/2015 19:09

I recall prior to the previous election Cameron promised 3,000 more midwives. He soon reneged on that promise. He couldn't say that there wouldn't be the staff either - midwifery schools are hugely oversubscribed, so the shortfall could have been made good if the will was there.

HeeHiles · 13/05/2015 23:10

As long as they are paying the taxes they owe, and are contributing to the economy through employment, NI etc as well, no it doesn't bother me. Companies that trade internationally aren't obliged to be based here, we are no more important than the rest of the world

I think there should be a turnover tax and all companies whatever country they are based should be taxed accordingly.

Partly because the majority of private landlords won't accept HB tenants

They might not know - there used to be a box to tick if you wanted HB to inform your LL - There have been a few times when I rented a flat when working, made redundant and claimed HB, my LL would have no idea unless I had said so - and with so many households on HB, especially in London I would imagine this was going on a lot.

but I don't blame people for minimising the tax they have to pay. They still pay, and contribute to the economy) much more than most

There's minimising and taking the bloody piss Philip Green And in my pink fluffy world of loving, sharing and giving I don't think it's unreasonable for our Government who needs desperately to raise its tax revenues can't close the loopholes for a period of time, until we are out of the doldrums, then renegotiated tax breaks, after all 'we are all in this together' mantra is sounding even more hollow and meaningless Sad

Justanotherlurker · 14/05/2015 00:25

I think there should be a turnover tax and all companies whatever country they are based should be taxed accordiingly

It's already happening....

There's minimising and taking the bloody piss....

Do you include john lewis co operative in this bracket when they kept prime location property derelict since ~2005 as land banks.

attheendoftheday · 14/05/2015 07:45

There plan to abolish the human rights act is terrifying - it is a piece of legislation which protects us all.

Because their plans to make strikes illegal through the back door is a bit step in the direction of an oppressive and authoritarian society.

Because of Cameron's comments yesterday "Too long have we been a passively tolerant society saying to our citizens - as long as you obey the law we will leave you alone". I don't want to live in an intolerant society. I think as long as people obey the law it's fine for them to hold different beliefs.

PtolemysNeedle · 14/05/2015 08:05

There hasn't been a 'we're all in it together' mantra since the beginning of the coalition government, when they soon realised that the left were going to jump all over it and it was dropped.

You are right that LLs might not know if their tenants are claiming an HB top up if they have to start claiming mid way through their tenancy, but that could end with the tenants in breach of contract as they are obliged to tell, and LLs do their own checks at the start of tenancies to see that their tenants can afford the rent on their earned income.

They are not planning to abolish the human rights act, they are planning to replace it with something that will be better for British citizens.

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