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Aibu wondering where Charlie got those medals from?

67 replies

punter · 10/05/2015 18:05

The VE memories today were great British tradition and remembrance rolled into one. But how did our future king achieve that row of medals? Don't remember him being in any conflict or active service.

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SoupDragon · 10/05/2015 19:29

Just in case, you are aware that patronising comments attempting to control what people post are really not helpful?

ComposHatComesBack · 10/05/2015 19:47

soup I am not telling people how to think,so wind your neck in a bit. I just happen to disagree with you. There's one person stomping over this thread haranguing people and it ain't me.

DragonWithAGirlTattoo · 10/05/2015 20:04

i think its really rude (in my view) to put a link - i'm sure the OP can work google... not trying to 'control you' (if that were even possible.... )

You could end most threads with a link to google, but its pointless and says "you are too lazy/stupid to use google OP?"

anyway - obviously people do think differently, you do your thing and i'll do mine....

exLtEveDallasNoBollocks · 10/05/2015 20:05

Prince Charles has the right to wear military uniform. Not only did he Serve, he also holds a number of military appointments. He wears the medals of his Service, Commemorative medals (Coronation and Silver, Golden and Diamond Jubilee) and Commonwealth medals.

The 'Gold Braid' is worn on the dress uniforms of all senior commanders of all regiments. He wears dress uniform because 1: he's entitled to and 2: as a sign of respect. He'd look a right dick turning up in jeans.

ComposHatComesBack · 10/05/2015 20:25

He doesn't have to turn up in jeans. He could turn up in a sober suit and with the medals he earned in the course of his actual military career in the 1970s. Or if he really wanted he could wear the uniform appropriate to the rank he earned in the navy. But to turn up in a uniform he wears because his mum made him a general/admiral as aa 60th birthday present smacks in my opinion of playing at soldiers/sailors, along with medals given out for long service in an an honorary capacity is a bit of a piss take especially when people who've served in places like Suez, Malaysia or the Arctic convoys got very little or belated recognition for putting themselves in very real danger.

exLtEveDallasNoBollocks · 10/05/2015 20:30

As Colonel of (a) Regiment it would be horrendously disrespectful to turn up in a suit if the people around you are in full uniform.

I didn't 'Earn' my Golden or Diamond Jubillee medals - are you saying I shouldn't wear them?

JassyRadlett · 10/05/2015 20:37

i think its really rude (in my view) to put a link - i'm sure the OP can work google... not trying to 'control you' (if that were even possible.... )

This may be the new maddest thing I've read on Mumsnet. Now providing links to information relevant to the discussion (in this case, a BBC article) is rude?

Now I understand why people get upset when I link to statistics and scientific evidence to provide a basis for what I'm saying. It's because weblinks are rude.

Greythorne · 10/05/2015 20:47

I would rather the senior people in the armed forces were, you know, senior people in the armed forces. Not the offspring of the monarch.

Genvonklinkerhoffen · 10/05/2015 20:52

I think the "muffles" underestimate how important a colonel in chief is. They are apolitical, outside the chain of command and soldiers will tell them things they won't tell senior officers. If you're not in the organisation, it's very hard to explain or understand.

Genvonklinkerhoffen · 10/05/2015 20:52

Muffles = muggles. Civvies.

AddToBasket · 10/05/2015 20:53

Mostly, those medals aren't 'his', they are the medal of the the heir to the throne. They represent various positions held as the heir to the throne - essentially capacity.

The monarch has a constitutional role. It really isn't about 'Charlie' or 'mummy' Hmm but about the interplay between Monarchy/Army/Parliament. An interplay that has seen us avoid revolution and violence when most countries have experienced them.

Hmmm, I realise that this might be an intellectual stretch for some of the commentators on here.

Greythorne · 10/05/2015 20:54

I think people on the army referring to people outside the army as 'muggles' is rude.

exLtEveDallasNoBollocks · 10/05/2015 20:56

They are Greythorne, we have both. It's actually a great honour to have a member of the RF as Col of the Regt or CinC. It means a lot to the Regimental family.

meditrina · 10/05/2015 20:57

I think it's possible that people are less skilled (than in, say, the twentieth century when so many more people were in the Armed Forces one way or another) in reading a rack of medals, and therefore knowing what they represent.

And with the wearing of medals, it's all or none, at the decree of the formal host of the event. It would be utterly incorrect (and disrespectful) to wear only some.

Genvonklinkerhoffen · 10/05/2015 20:57

Have you served? Do you know what it's like? It's an entire lifestyle, muggles is a term my family use to describe people who haven't served and have no direct experience of service. You CANNOT appreciate what it is like to be in the army (RN or RAF) if you have no first hand experience of it.

ComposHatComesBack · 10/05/2015 21:01

eve i guess you were serving in the armed forceswhen the jubilee medals were doled out. Charlie wasn't apart from maybe the silver jubilee.

Was he acting as colonel in chief during the VE event and what uniform did he wear?

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 10/05/2015 21:02

Everyone needs to listen to LtEve. She knows what she is talking about. And AddTo Basket.

DH is ex Canadian Army and comes from a long line of military service. The Colonels of the Regiment and the Commanders in Chief are held in hugely high regard and in the eyes of less senior officers and enlisted troops they have every right to wear their medals and orders. They have earned them by virtue of their post and office.

Genvonklinkerhoffen · 10/05/2015 21:05

Members of the royal household wear the jubilee medals. They don't need to be serving. At least fully inform your opinions!!

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 10/05/2015 21:09

Gen what is wrong with "civilians" or "civvies"?

I actually don't mind the term muggle either though, it's kind of cute.

I feel like a half-and-half. DH and my PIL are a very "army" family even though FIL has been retired for over 15 years and DH left the army almost 20 years ago. My upbringing was 100% civilian, dad was a lawyer and mum was a professor and could not have been further from DH's base-brat childhood.

Genvonklinkerhoffen · 10/05/2015 21:13

In my circle, civvies has a derogatory tone about it and I dislike that. As I said, my family use muggles as a way to describe those who have no experience of the military. It's almost a term of endearment whereas civvies just sometimes isn't.

exLtEveDallasNoBollocks · 10/05/2015 21:16

Prince Charles was (and is) holding a Military Appointment - hence the 'doling out' of the Jubilee Medals.

I understand he did the Anzac Ceremony, I don't know if he was at the VE Ceremony.

ComposHatComesBack · 10/05/2015 21:19

Members of the royal household wear the jubilee medals. They don't need to be serving. At least fully inform your opinions

I am fully aware of this.

AuntieStella · 10/05/2015 21:20

He was at the VE church service today; in suit, decorations worn (by everyone).

There's a clearish picture of him if you scroll down a bit in this BBC article. Anyone recognise them all?

Genvonklinkerhoffen · 10/05/2015 21:24

So what was your point about serving? Of course he was acting as colonel in chief (you can't swerve the responsibility that bestows) and even if he wasn't, he's entitled to wear the medals.

Roseforarose · 10/05/2015 22:36

The royals have always been a bit show offish about medals. Princess Ann's never been in the military but she likes to adorn herself with them now and again. Medals off mummy are pointless when they haven't been earned.