To think the labour party faces a serious battle for survival.

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The Labour party is in a unwinnable battle, Scotland has gone forever, for any 'English/Welsh' party of any description. There are only a few Labour seats south of Warrington (Merseyside is of course out of sync with most of England). The Labour Party are almost extinct in the South West/East. It could not pick up seats in Derby/Nuneaton which are areas of Skilled/Semi Skilled Workers . s controlled by Liberal Oxbridge Educated academics , who believe they know better and expect the "plebs" to do as they are told and vote for them , without allowing them to ask questions (It is not for them to ask Questions of their betters!".

The Labour Party refused to listen to people like Frank field , opting to go down the left wing path to destruction, coming up with 'targeting' 50-100 thousand Nom Doms" for dogmatic and sound bite reasons, not for any sound financial reason. The same can be said of the Mansion Tax idea )what the hell is Stamp duty , if it is not MANSION TAX. If that idea had been carried out , suddenly you would have found a drop in house price values, or a slow down of purchasing of expensive housing, meaning a drop in revenue from stamp duty as well as "Tourists" non doms putting their houses up for sale and making plans for relocation, causing restaurants , hotels serious issues meaning job losses. The biggest issue though would of course of been all the people employed by the rich foreigners to look after them in the UK Nannies/Gardeners Cooks /Drivers. Rich People who place no demands on the state they use private schools Private Health Care their own Security. Why have policies designed to drive "tourists" out of your Country. The answer to that of course is that this policy plays on the "Envy" of people, not on benefit to the country and that is crutch of the problem for the Labour Party, instigating policy ideas based on crass assumptions about their "voters" ideas or what they have read in their studies at Oxbridge.

They have less understanding about normal people and their lives, views aspirations than the "BULLINGDON" lot. This is because they at least understand who to market products or "seduction" because their own Businesses that need to earn money.

The Labour Party is doomed unless it can realise , nobody outside specific inner city areas or union leaders are interested in tired old sound bites about rich people.

I do believe SNP will be lobbying for a fair share, not a disproportionate share. London might pay into the pot, but the rest of the country bears a lot of London costs. Scotland does pay more tax per capita than rest of UK.

Part of the huge issue in the UK, and why I'm not an SNP member, is that 90% of the power and wealth in the UK is concentrated in 2 square miles in London. That has to be distributed more fairly across the UK.

I'm hopeful that the SNP will be a force for good for all of the UK. There are some damn good people amongst that 56 who are very much driven by core values of equality and fairness.

I used the word fair.

So why would a fair share bring us all down, Funnyosity?

See my previous post. By "WE" I meant non-London UK. I realise that the "we" needs to be adjusted and become different bits of a federation or independent countries. So you are right in that it won't bring us down as we won't be us iyswim!

I think perhaps we will know what we had when we've lost it!

I'm going to be in the "Northern Powerhouse" apparently - hey ho!

Scottish per capita tax take was higher when oil was at £100, now lower. But may raise again in the future.
This is partially why the SNP may back away from full fiscal autonomy now, as they are over-spending income by £1,000 a head due to the fall in oil prices and jobs.