Please or to access all these features

Add post

Watch this thread

Save thread

Start a new thread

Flip thread

Hide thread

My feed

Active Unanswered threads

Getting started FAQ's

Unanswered threads Acronyms Talk guidelines

Hide shortcut buttons

Talk

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Flip

1 2 3 4

Original poster

To think my brother is a twat for turning down £250 a day?

94 replies

WilburIsSomePig · 29/04/2015 18:56

He's been out of work for 8 weeks (he's a contractor). Has been offered a 10 month contract at £250 a day but has turned it down because he 'didn't really fancy the role'. Meanwhile, his lovely wife is working extra hours whenever she can and I'm paying for my DNs' activities every week like karate, horse riding and dance classes. They're lovely kids so I said I could help short term but not so that he could turn down a job and lie on the fucking sofa all day. I'm so angry with him.

OP posts:

agilevangelista · 29/04/2015 22:43

I contract at 450-500 per day. I would take 300-350 if I'd been out of work and couldn't find anything within 5-6 weeks if it was 8 weeks I'd take 250 and keep looking. idiot!
and I would never expect dh to take a second job!!

ShadowFire · 29/04/2015 23:00

He bought a new bike out of the money put aside to buffer his family against periods of unemployment???
And he's turned down a job within a reasonable commute because he doesn't fancy it much and it pays a bit less than he wants?

WTF does he think he's playing at? I have no idea what sector he works in, but the sector I work in is having a massive slump at the minute, and turning down a job for flimsy reasons like that would be really risky, because there's not much work around and lots more people than normal chasing it. If he's been out of work for 8 weeks I'm guessing the sector he works in isn't that buoyant at the minute either.

It may not be his ideal job, it may pay less than he'd like, but any sensible person in his circumstances would take the job, get money coming back into the household, and then continue looking for more desirable work while working in the new job.

Jux · 29/04/2015 23:11

What a selfish brat, he is. You have to stop paying for him (I know it's for his children and they're the ones who will miss out). When I was geowing we had to take the changing fortunes of our parents on the chin; some of my peers were arriving at school in a Rolls Royce one month and by bus the next. So long as they are fed and watered and sheltered, they'll be fine.

Your bro needs a shake up.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 29/04/2015 23:28

His normal rate is between 2-300 a day £250 a day is his normal bloody rate.

reallybadidea · 29/04/2015 23:33

Don't forget that contractors generally pay less tax than the rest of us by invoicing through their 'company', paying themselves minimum wage and then taking the rest as dividends at 20% and no NI

Original poster

WilburIsSomePig · 30/04/2015 06:04

He's in IT Shadow I don't know how bouyant that market is just now.

OP posts:

SweetAndFullOfGrace · 30/04/2015 06:26

If he's in IT he should probably take it. Loads of companies are cutting headcount at the moment, we have a hiring freeze (I'm in IT).

Jux · 30/04/2015 08:27

My brother's in IT. He's been unable to find anything for love nor money. He'd bite the hand off someone offering him 250 a day. Your bro should be ashamed of himself with his wife working 2 jobs while he buys himself a new bike and sits on his arse. Unless there's more to it between them, which you don't know about.

prepperpig · 30/04/2015 08:37

At one stage I used to earn £80k as a partner in a law firm. No benefits or anything like that since I was a partner and not an employee. That was £307 a day gross. There are generally 260 working days in a year.

Nettle sorry, your maths is completely wrong. £500 a day equates to £130k and most benefits packages amount to between 3 and 10 percent of salary.

Your Brother is being a twat OP. Have you actually said you're no longer funding the activities? Until you do I suspect he won't change.

Morelikeguidelines · 30/04/2015 08:38

He is being an utter shit.

prepperpig · 30/04/2015 08:40

really that is not reflective of the reality of the situation. Yes company owners pay tax at dividend rate but they've already paid 20 percent corporation tax. So they earn £500, £100 of that automatically goes on corporation tax. They can then pay a dividend once costs etc have come off the £400 that is left and they are then taxed at the dividend tax rate. The dividend tax rate is only lower because corporation tax has been paid. It's a complete myth that company directors pay much lower rates of tax. There's hardly any difference in the end (other than a slight NI saving)

SweetAndFullOfGrace · 30/04/2015 23:13

I agree with prepper. My only saving when I was contracting under a limited company (under the new rules, there used to be more loopholes) was a small NI saving. Other than that I paid the same tax as an employee on my whole daily rate. Some tax is deferred until you take the money out of the company but I still paid it.

maninawomansworld · 01/05/2015 13:26

£250 a day for 10 months (assuming a 5 day week) is £50,000.

He's a complete selfish twat to turn down that sort of money because 'he doesn't fancy the role'. There are plenty of people beavering away stupid hours with long commutes in job the loathe for HALF that!

You and his DW must withdraw ALL financial support IMMEDIATELY.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 01/05/2015 14:23

It's not always about the cash up front though - 10 months is a long time to commit if you believe something more appropriate and better paid is coming up.

Plus - I get offered jobs, I'm not always qualified for them (wrong role), and this comes out in the interview normally....

prepperpig · 01/05/2015 17:56

He's not committing though is he. He could take the job for now and there's nothing compelling him to stay if something better comes along. Specific performance (making someone fulfil the contract) of employment contracts is unlawful in this country. Its called slavery

Lweji · 01/05/2015 18:03

10 months is a long time to commit if you believe something more appropriate and better paid is coming up.

You can believe that something more appropriate and better paid is coming up, but it may never actually come.

If he is struggling for money, his wife is working two jobs, any decent income should be welcome.

StatisticallyChallenged · 01/05/2015 18:21

It's contracting - he can accept it and then keep looking. It's not like he can't give notice and leave early.

ShadowFire · 01/05/2015 18:51

The typical contractor jobs that I'm familiar with allow the contractor to walk before the end of the contract if the contractor wants to.

There's always the risk of pissing off the employer enough to damage the chance of future contracts with that employer if they go early and leave the employer in the lurch, but the contractor certainly isn't obliged to stay just because the contract is for 10 months.

blushingbooty · 01/05/2015 20:21

Lazy selfish prick. When a good mate of mine was out of work he was willing to take anything that paid the bills and meant his DP didn't have to kill herself with overtime- goo money or shite. Very disrespectful to your SIL, you and a bad example to his kids- he has a job offer that pays well and is arrogant enough to wait for something better that may not emerge?

He's on a contract, he could quit if something better came along, but no- prick.

Flip

1 2 3 4